Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vertigo (Eden album)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Moved to draft. Spartaz ^Humbug! 07:32, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Vertigo (Eden album)

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Searches for this album turn up zero news results. Fails WP:NMUSIC. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 02:11, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

• The album was only very recently revealed. Here is a Pigeons & Planes article on the album. -Nevermeltsounds 03:22, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 03:25, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. jd22292 (Jalen D. Folf) (talk • contribs) 03:25, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

• Draftify/Redirect - the current 3 sources - a database retail listing, a social media post, and an obscure music blog I've never heard of, is not enough to meet the WP:GNG. Advocating a redirect because it may just be a WP:TOOSOON issue. Sergecross73 msg me 05:10, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

• this album also has been officially released by the artist on his twitter handle would this article still be in constitute of deletion. Astralwerks has also announce of the album release. Hope this is enough news for removing it from the deletion article category.sufyanxtreme (talk) 06:19, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

• To clarify - the album is not out, only a single "Gold", is. And no, a musician announcing a single on social media does not help notability - sourcing needs to be third party, and about the album itself. Sergecross73 msg me 14:47, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

• To clarify - the page has mentioned its an upcoming album and provided below are the link from record label company astralwerks (under universal music group) and also a billboards article. Doesn't it constitute for the article to be kept up. The astralwerks link specifies the date of its release and the billboards article describe about the first single start//end. sufyanxtreme (talk) 19:58, 10 November 2017 (UTC)
• Yes, Billboards put up an article announcing the release of the single "Gold" and the upcoming release of the album "Vertigo" and also there is this link connected to Livenation SE. Billboards, Livenation and Pigeon&planes are third parties and have confirmed the news individually (2 in english and one in swedish) This gives more reason for the article to stay and come on, Billboards is the pinnacle of the music industry news source. sufyanxtreme (talk) 20:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

• Billboard is indeed one of the highest levels sources for American music - but neither provide significant coverage for the album. One is only a paragraph long, with about two sentences about the album - it's name and release date for the album. The other one is very long, but doesn't discuss the album itself, but just a particular song. I'm not sure the word "Vertigo" or "album" even appears in it. Additionally, record labels and press releases (MyNewsDesk/Live Nation) do not help meet the GNG because they are first party accounts. Press releases are promotional works that come from artists/management/marketing teams - not third parties. And again, social media also are first party. All that leaves is "Pigeons and Planes" - I'm not familiar with this website, so I'll have to look into it... Sergecross73 msg me 01:54, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

• Here are more links @User:Sergecross73 to support the artist upcoming release but why draftify this article, i see no point as other artist have articles up for their upcoming album and i see no difference in this one. the AXS article is still small but the stubwire article is informative about the song, tour and the upcoming album. There was a big promotion event of it across 13 cities also thats why i thought it would constitute for the page to be up on wikipedia. sufyanxtreme (talk) 07:05, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

• I might have forgotten to link the billboard website article to the wiki page, my bad. sufyanxtreme (talk) 06:35, 10 November 2017 (UTC)

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• Draftify until such time as the album is actually released and has some noteworthy reviews. (Per WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL.) That way it could still be worked on by numerous editors before going into article space, whereas redirecting would not allow for that. Softlavender (talk) 02:48, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
  • I'm fine with that that too. Doing both really - moving to draftspace and creating a redirect for the album name to the artist article. Sergecross73 msg me 02:51, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
    • If it's possible to do both, then I would recommend that. Softlavender (talk) 02:59, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
      • I would think so. It'd even be ideal, really, as it would require an admin's approval to delete the redirect someday if they wanted to move the draft into the main-space. So that'd be a safeguard for premature recreation. Sergecross73 msg me 03:17, 11 November 2017 (UTC) Sergecross73 msg me 03:17, 11 November 2017 (UTC)

• so without any response I see that my points have been sound and I hope however the moderator of this deletion article would nominate to Keep the article as it has many citations from third party and from the primary source (the singer, the record label and billboards) if you need more third party here you go. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sufyanxtreme (talk • contribs) 10:53, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

• No, as you've been told before, sourcing must be from third party sources to meet the WP:GNG. Sources straight from the artist or record label are first party sources. Please read WP:PRIMARY. Your Billboard sources are either not about the album itself, or extremely brief. There's not enough to sustain an article yet. Sergecross73 msg me 13:35, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Does anyone else agree with drafting or are there any other views?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:31, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

• Draftify seems a fair compromise at this stage, on the understanding that it remains as a draft until it's been released and reliable, third-party sources have been added to demonstrate its notability ~dom Kaos~ (talk) 12:49, 18 November 2017 (UTC)
• Draftify which standard restraints on moving back to mainspace. L3X1 (distænt write) 21:26, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.