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Prince Achileas-Andreas of Greece and Denmark

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Prince Achileas-Andreas of Greece and Denmark (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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WP:NOTINHERITED. Certainly the 'acting career' does not establish notability.TheLongTone (talk) 14:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I note that most of the keep votes in the last nomination thought that being a member of a 'royal family' conferred notability. It does not. Neither does the fact that some publications pander to the vanities of these caterpillars on the commonwealth.TheLongTone (talk) 14:25, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. The latest acting role isn't even a named character, hardly notable per WP:ENTERTAINER. Some of the Keep arguments in the previous AfD were erroneous. "he is currently 3rd in line to be Pretender to the Greek throne" fails to recognize that the Greek throne is defunct and has been for quite some time. Another argument was "even the divorced wives of the lowliest of Britain’s peers qualify for a page" which is just WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. D1551D3N7 (talk) 17:59, 5 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I agree. Being on pages of Tatler and Harper's Bazaar doesn't mean he is notable or else we would have to make everyone who is ever mentioned in those pages a wikipedia as well. He also doesn't have a notable acting career. Unfriendnow (talk) 23:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article subject has received significant coverage from: South China Morning Post, La Vanguardia, ABC, El Confidencial, Vanity Fair, Paris Match, El Español, El Economista, Diario de Sevilla, El Nacional (Catalonia), Gala, Harper's Bazaar, Tatler, ¡Hola!, Mujer Hoy, Revista Clase, news.com.au
--StellarHalo (talk) 10:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that I find royalty egregious is irrelevant; I am not nominating a serving royal who has attracted coverage from any but the gossiperati for deletion. I do not think that you know what the word 'significant' means.TheLongTone (talk) 13:11, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that you have an axe to grind against a group of people to the point where you hate reliable sources just for covering them mean you should not be editing articles in this topic. From WP:GNG, "significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. All the rs I provided above address the article subject directly and in detail. Not only that, per WP:BASIC, multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability. The only meaning of "significant" that is relevant here is the one used by Wikipedia's policies and guidelines which you seem to refuse to engage with. Also, you clearly do not know what a gossip magazine is. StellarHalo (talk) 00:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, I am not. StellarHalo provided an adequate display of such coverage in the above conversation. Your sarcasm doesn't do anything for your case, so I'm not sure why you chose to react in that manner. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 13:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: and I strongly suggest the nominator withdraw. Ignoring the "meet the Greek royals" and similar sources (because notability is not inherited), there are many, many in-depth articles about the subject by independent, reliable sources. StellarHalo lists quite a few and there are lots more. Easily meets WP:BASIC. C F A 💬 00:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This individual is truly insignificant and the fact that some empty-headed people pay him and similar people attention is neither here nor there. And as for withdrawing my nomination....forget it. The man is not notable in any real sense. As per the article, all he has done is be born. See WP:NOTINHERTED. I have a better claim to be notable.TheLongTone (talk) 12:30, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's fascinating. So you've been written about in Tatler, China Morning Post, Harper's Bazaar, Hola!, Vanity Fair, etc? -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 13:27, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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National Popular Consciousness (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article does not meet the criteria of being notable. There are numerous trivial references to its leader, Yannis Lagos, but nothing about his presence on the political scene, his actions, his positions and his ideology. After all, the party did not really have autonomous action since it soon became part of an alliance.

The abundance of pieces is only due to the fact that its leader was a prominent neo-Nazi but in wikipedia Wikipedia:ORGSIG

In fact, it's not even active today, it's been dismantled which means there will be no future references that might make it notable. Wikipedia:NTEMP D.S. Lioness (talk) 18:07, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The party was connected to an MEP, a highly unusual case as he spent the majority of his tenure as an MEP in prison. This party emerged following the tumultuous events surrounding the ban of Golden Dawn. Deleting a well-sourced article that documents the continuation of Golden Dawn and its efforts to persist is illogical. It should remain on Wikipedia. Michalis1994 (talk) 19:58, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:ORGSIG D.S. Lioness (talk) 01:43, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant. Michalis1994 (talk) 13:48, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The fact that the party holds or has held representation in the EU Parliament makes it notable. It also has plenty of sources also helping its notability, for if it wasn't notable, you would have so many sources talking about it. Helper201 (talk) 02:24, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep For similar reasons as above. Vulpicula (talk) 04:55, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The fact that this party managed to get someone elected to the EU Parliament shows it has some level of significance. Plus, all these sources wouldn't exist if it wasn't a noteworthy group. Wiping this information from Wikipedia seems unnecessary when it's clearly documented and relevant. Waqar💬 15:15, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment : Dear friends, you can't check the sources because you don't know Greek. Pleace, try with Google Translator, to verify if the sources mention the party.
https://www.cnn.gr/politiki/story/349403/vouli-perase-i-diataksi-gia-to-stop-sto-komma-kasidiari/amp nothing about the party
https://amp.dw.com/el/%CE%BF%CE%B9-%CE%BD%CE%B5%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%B1%CE%B6%CE%AF-%CF%80%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%83%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%B8%CE%BF%CF%8D%CE%BD-%CE%BD%CE%B1-%CE%B5%CF%80%CE%B9%CF%83%CF%84%CF%81%CE%AD%CF%88%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BD-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7%CE%BD-%CE%B5%CE%BB%CE%BB%CE%B7%CE%BD%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE-%CE%B2%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BB%CE%AE/a-64461637 for Kasidiaris only
https://www.topontiki.gr/2019/11/05/neo-komma-apo-lago-keada-iliopoulo-me-tis-evlogies-tou-patros-plevri-video/ about Lagos
https://www.ekathimerini.com/news/1160894/supporters-of-far-right-mep-scatter-flyers-outside-kathimerini/ about Lagos
https://www.illiberalism.org/the-golden-dawn-trials-on-appeal/ Currently, many convicted neo-Nazis have left GD and followed other far-right organizations such as ELASYN (Ethnikē Laikē Syneidēsē: Greek national conscience), a far-right fringe party led by Konstantinos Plevris and Giannis Lagos until 2020. that's all
https://www.illiberalism.org/mapping-the-greek-far-right-one-year-after-golden-dawns-conviction/ It was Lagos who launched ELASYN (Ethniki Laiki Sinidisi), the “National Popular Conscience” party, alongside Konstantinos Plevris, otherwise known as the patriarch of Greek neo-fascism. that's all
https://thewire.in/world/greeces-nazi-golden-dawn-has-finally-been-ruled-a-criminal-organisation nothing about the party

D.S. Lioness (talk) 17:25, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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