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This page lists all requests filed or identified as potentially controversial which are currently under discussion.

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July 23, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – Toad (Nintendo) → Toad (Mario) – The article was moved to the current title without discussion in April 2016 despite the most recent RM in 2015 being closed as "not moved". Video game characters are usually disambiguated by their primary series instead of their publisher company, even when frequently having cameo/crossover appearances, which Toad does not. Mia Mahey (talk) 20:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Mia Mahey (talk) 06:16, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 22, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – Shin Hye-sun → Shin Hae-sun – With the continuing rise in popularity of actress <Shin Hae-sun>, the spelling of her English name has been up for debate for quite some time. Since her debut in School 2013, many have spelled her name as <Shin Hye-sun>; others have spelled it as <Shin Hae-sun> (a difference in Hye or Hae). In recent years, many have pointed out that her own signature and places like her agency (YNK Entertainment under IOK Company) spelled her name with Hae, yet, many sources continued to spell it as Hye since it was the most common spelling since her debut (Hye is also a common spelling amongst other Korean celebrities like Park Shin-hye and Kim Hye-yoon, adding to its credibility at the time). Here are some other reliable sources that correctly spells her name with Hae: KoBiz, The Korean Herald, Korea JoongAng Daily, and The Korea Times. It was only until last year that the actress added her English name to her Instagram account, spelling it herself as Hae. But due to the immense commonality of Hye across the internet, there wasn't a big change in how articles/sources/new fans spelled her name. As such, I am proposing that we change the spelling of her name to Hae, rather than Hye, as to fix the misinformation that is still at large. It is only right that we respect how the actress spells her own name. Imanomynous (talk) 22:02, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Debye–Hückel equation → Debye–Hückel theory – The page on the Debye-Hückel theory contains more information and derives the limiting law. There is not much information here that isn't already there, and there is just the natural place to put the limiting law. Separating it out seems quite weird. I'm new to Wikipedia editing, and so don't trust myself to make this judgement unilaterally despite me not expecting pushback here. Scrooge Mcduc (talk) 13:04, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Uniform → List of types of uniforms – This article should be merged into Military uniform, Nurse uniform, School uniform, etc.. The word "uniform" can refer to essentially any form of standardized dress, and this article currently just lists a number of kinds of uniform; the only real common part are the Buttons and Hygiene; the first is about button collecting, which has an article, and the second is about a tax deduction for uniform cleaning, which isn't really enough to write an article about and can be put into respective articles if necessary anyways. It's not possible to write a cohesive article about all kinds of organized dress, just because they're referred to by the word "uniform", all at the same time. I thought of trying to write a History section, but realized that I'd have to write about the development of military uniforms, police uniforms, nurses' uniforms, and McDonalds costumes at the same time, which doesn't make sense because "uniform" is not a cohesive topic. Most of the sections of the this article already have articles treating them. Work uniform (now a redirect) could be restored for that section. The Sports section I'm not sure about, but Sports uniform (also now a redirect) could also be restored. Mrfoogles (talk) 04:35, 22 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 21, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – Transbay Transit Center → Salesforce Transit Center – It's been a few years since the last move request. I thought to start a move review, but was told to file a requested move discussion here instead. If the name Salesforce Transit Center wasn't common at the time of the last discussion, it certainly is now. * Keeping the name Transbay Transit Center does not follow Wikipedia:Naming conventions (US stations). Salesforce Transit Center is both the official name, and the common name. * AC Transit calls it Salesforce Transit Center, not Transbay Transit Center. This language is used widespread on AC Transit maps, service alerts, physical signage at bus stops, and digital signage on buses. * List of AC Transit routes has it as Salesforce Transit Center, not Transbay Transit Center. * The official SFMTA Muni Service Map calls it Salesforce Transit Center. * Google Maps does not recognize Transbay Transit Center. A search for "Transbay Transit Center" suggests "Salesforce Transit Center" as the first result. Riders and transit agency workers know it as Salesforce Transit Center. Locals and tourists know it as Salesforce Transit Center. Both commonly and officially, it is called Salesforce Transit Center. Tallneil (talk) 23:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Spondyloarthropathy → Spondyloarthritis – I have a couple reasons so I'm going to break them down individually: # WP:MEDTITLE suggests the usage of the ICD for naming disease articles. The ICD classifies Spondyloarthropathy seperately under Degenerative condition of spine however the definition of Spondyloarthropathy used commonly is listed under Inflammatory spondyloarthritis. # Consitancy. The term Axial spondyloarthritis is used instead of Axial spondyloarthropathy. # Popularity. Most articles, both research and just general information refer to the disease as Spondyloarthritis, (examples:[5][6][7][8][9][10]) # Etymology. “arthritis” indicates inflammation of the joint, whereas “arthropathy” just refers to any type of joint disease. # Historical context: This group of disease has almost always been reffered to Spondyloarthritis, I'm not even sure where the term spondyloarthropathy came from. (This article goes over some of the historical context) # Most diagnostic criteria uses the term Spondyloarthritis. This is shown in this article that goes over the different classification criteria for Spondyloarthiritis. I know some of these reasons may seem trivial or aren't a part of the naming conventions however I wanted to be thourough with listing all the reasons I feel this is an appropriate move. CursedWithTheAbilityToDoTheMath (talk) 22:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Anti-Haitian sentiment → Anti-Haitian sentiment in the Dominican Republic – Article has always stood for prejudices and discrimination against Haitians in the Dominican Republic, a core social issue in Hispaniola, deserving a standalone article, regardless of the merits of a possible generic article which does not seem to be on the horizon short-term. This was the case both before and after the renaming, with the difference that the former title ("antihaitianismo") suggested a geographical containment of the topic while the current purely-descriptive English-language title does not. Asqueladd (talk) 15:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Palestinian genocide accusation → Palestinian genocide – Given the movement of Gaza genocide to that title, the current title here has become incongruously inconsistent. How can the parent of a child topic that is not couched in the language of "accusation" be couched in that language? It should be obvious than it should not. More generally, it has become apparent that the language of "accusation" is generally inappropriate. This is not only per MOS:ACCUSED (which outlines how the language of accusation is problematic in its presumptive deployment of doubt (presumably ultimately as a corollary of WP:NPOV)), but also per consistency with similar titles on similar subjects. There are many pages on the topics of presumed or suspected (but not legally ruled on) genocides -- this is in fact the majority of them -- but no other genocide topic on Wikipedia, regardless of how speculative it is, is couched as a "genocide accusation". See the search results. Likewise, the phrase "Palestinian genocide accusation" is all but unknown to scholarship, in stark contrast to "Palestinian genocide", which is a common and widely used phrase, including in titular form, such as in the 2013 The Palestinian Genocide by Israel by the eminent Francis Boyle. In the previous move discussion, I somewhat rallied support around the current title, but that was in October last year, before much of the subsequent discussion around developments in Gaza. It seemed sensible at the time, but that was then, and this is now. Events have moved on significantly since then, not least with the ICJ case and provisional measures -- and hence the Gaza genocide move. As this page covers the overarching legal and scholarly topic of Palestinian genocide, the weight of both everything that went into the Gaza genocide RM discussion, and everything that precedes it in Palestinian history, including the Nakba and all subsequent Israeli policies and actions that have been discussed as conceivably genocidal by legal and academic experts, is under consideration. Given that this page has a significantly grander scope than its child, its title cannot reasonably contain greater doubt than that of its child. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Tales of the Jedi (TV series) → Star Wars: Tales – Since this move made nearly three months ago has been objected to, here is an RM. I personally don't agree with the need as consensus was reached on the matter. Never the less, this anthology series had its first installment released as (formally) Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi (commonly Tales of the Jedi) in October 2022, with it announced in April 2023 that it would get a second season (wording used by media outlets, though the quote from Filoni was "Tales of the Jedi was so fun the first time, I decided to do some more.") Subsequently, it was announced a year later in April 2024 that this second "season" was a new "installment", Star Wars: Tales of the Empire (commonly Tales of the Empire). This press release shows the use of both formal names as well as the key quote in my view (and the determination of the previous consensus) that Tales of the Empire was the second installment of the "Tales" series. Thus, an appropriate name to address this anthology series considering the formal name would be Star Wars: Tales, which provides a WP:NATURAL name. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:25, 2 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 17:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 05:42, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 20, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – STEAM fields → STEAM education – The Slate article cited in the first sentence states that STEAM is not just a collection of five fields, but a movement to integrate creative thinking and design skills into STEM education. And this is how much of the article describes it. But the first sentence defines it as a collection of five fields, and the presence of "fields" in the title reinforces that definition. I think the lede would be more consistent with the sources and with the rest of the article if we change the title to something like "STEAM education" or "STEAM movement" or just "STEAM", and change the first sentence to something like:
    STEAM education is an approach to teaching STEM subjects that incorporates artistic skills like creative thinking and design.
    Justin Kunimune (talk) 15:08, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Ascalon → Ashkelon (ancient city) – Recently, the name of this article was changed from Tel Ashkelon to Ascalon. The rationale was that Ashkelon and Tel Ashkelon are too similar, and that readers cannot be expected to differentiate. It was said that Ascalon is the name of the historical site. This rationale is invalid. The name Ashkelon, is the conventionally accepted name for both the modern city, and the ancient site. In many cases, the name Ashkelon is even used when referring to periods in which it was historically known as Ascalon. This place has at least 20,000 years of history, accros many periods of times. It was a prehistoric site, a Canaanite, Philistine, Hellenistic city, a Crusader city, an Islamic city... We don't always know its actual name, and it has never had a single way to pronounce its name. I am suggesting to change the name to Ashkelon (ancient city). I divided my argument into three parts: (1) Ashkelon and Ascalon are virtually the same and therefore confusing; (2) The toponym for the ancient site is known in maps and sites as "Ashkelon"; (3) the conentional scholarly name for the city in all periods is "Ashkelon", including periods in which it was called in different names. 1. Ascalon and Ashkelon are virtually the same. It is very confusing still. Differetiating them with "ancient city" in brackets makes no mistakes. Another option would've been "Tel Ashkelon", but there were times in which the ancient settlements in Ashkelon were not exactly on the Tel, and the city often controlled a much broader territory. Tel Ashkelon would strictly refer to the antiquties, but the article's scope goes beyond it. Another opition I thought about was "History of Ashkelon", simmilar to how we have "History of Athens", but I think that this might confuse the people who are looking for the history of modern Ashkelon, whose place should be in the article about the modern city. Therefore, I think that Ashkelon (ancient city) is the clearest option for the scope of the article. 2. Location identification: Today, the principal site of ancient Ashkelon is known as Tel Ashkelon. This is a declared national park in Israel, and it apears by that name. The official name of the park is "Ashkelon National Park". I think it makes a lot of sense to assume, that many people who visit Israel as tourist, will likely enter this Wikipedia article. They will not be referred to Ascalon, but to Ashkelon, either Tel Ashkelon (mentioned here, here, here and [12], which were the first results I was given by google. Therefore, the site, as a location, is better identified with Ashkelon rather than Ascalon Bolter21 (talk to me) 11:03, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 19, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – 2024 CrowdStrike incident → ? – Two reasons: the first is that the lede of this article is straightforward; it instead say that there is an outrage, before saying how, where the title is derived from. Second, most reliable sources often refer this event as an outrage. The title should at least be moved to a title containing "outrage". ToadetteEdit! 16:54, 19 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 18, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – Tonlé Sap → Tonlé Sap Lake – The original name before renamed after the discussion Talk:Tonlé_Sap#Rename above, due to possible confusion with the river that connect the lake and Mekong. The name "Tonlé Sap Lake" is NOT redundant at all. In that discussion user Markalexander100 stated that "Khmer and English terms aren't quite equivalent. In Khmer, as far as I can tell, there is one name- Tonle Sap- which refers to the lake and river together, while in English we differentiate them." This is not quite right because the official name of the lake in Khmer is "បឹង​ទន្លេសាប" (Boeng Tonle Sap), where បឹង/boeng means lake. So clearly they still have the word "lake" in the name, to differentiate it from the river. ទន្លេ/Tonle means river and that's its only meaning, not "Tonlé already means lake (or a very large, wide river)" as stated by user Dara above. For example, Mekong is "Tonlé Mekong", Bassac River is "Tonlé Bassac", Kong River is "Tonlé Kong". There's no known translation as Tonlé to "lake". Another similarly named geographic feature is the Boeng Tonle Chhmar (a smaller lake next to the Tonle Sap Lake). So to sum up, if we say "Tonle Sap" (without adding "Boeng") to the Khmer-speaking people, theoretically we are referring to the river (according to the meaning of the words). But then since the lake is too well-known, the term "Tonle Sap" will become ambiguous. However, as a matter of fact, they should be able to tell which one you are referring to, based on the context of the conversation. My suggestion is to rename this article to Tonlé Sap Lake, and have a separate article about the river. Two options for this separate article's name is: #Tonlé Sap (as per its literal meaning in Khmer) or, #Tonlé Sap (river) and Tonlé Sap becomes the disambiguation page. The reason for having a separate article for the river is simply because not everything about the river can be merged into the lake's article. For example, Phnom Penh, the state's capital, is located at the mouth of the river and there's probably something about the river related to Phnom Penh's urban planning that's worth writing about. And merging these into the lake's article would be inappropriate. ទន្លេតូច (talk) 23:27, 10 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 22:29, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – The Sun → The Sun (disambiguation) – I know, I know, the last discussion on this exact topic closed with consensus against. But the policy on the matter is clear, and the last discussion barely touched that policy at all. WP:PTOPIC says, first, that A topic is primary for a term with respect to usage if it is highly likely—much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term. With the wikinav entry showing that 2/3rds of people who visit the page are looking for Sun, that criterion seems to be met. You can argue that 2/3rds isn't high enough, but it's twice as likely than every other candidate combined. PTOPIC also says that A topic is primary for a term with respect to long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term. With all due respect to the newspapers, the Sun meets that criteria with flying colors. I don't see how it could be argued that the thing that sustains all known life doesn't have substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than a couple of moderate-to-large companies. This seems like a pretty clear-cut case to me. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:22, 18 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 17, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – Covanta → Reworld – Covanta was renamed to Reworld back in April. Since then, most people have been using the new name. This is not a controversial move, but I'm using this tool to request a move on account of my COI - I work for the article-subject. I'd also like to suggest a redirect from Covanta to the new Reworld title, replacing "Covanta" with "Reworld" throughout, and adding a "(previously known as Covanta)" at the beginning. NKR2009 (talk) 16:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 23:20, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Vespina (aircraft) → Airbus Voyager ZZ336 – I am a close watcher of aviation generally and military aviation specifically, and I had no idea what this article title referred to. WP:AT states that when article titles have multiple possibilities, "editors choose among them by considering several principles: the ideal article title precisely identifies the subject; it is short, natural, distinguishable and recognizable; and resembles titles for similar articles." None of those are true to "Vespina (aircraft). Being strictly factual and naming it as <Aircraft (i.e. general type name)> <Registration (denoting specific aircraft> is much clearer. The current name is vague in the extreme. Mark83 (talk) 08:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Quadrantal (talk) 16:04, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Sněžka → Śnieżka – The mountain, located on the border between Poland and the Czech Republic, is widely recognized by its Polish name, "Śnieżka", in international contexts. The usage of this name aligns with global recognition and common usage in various languages, including English. Śnieżka is the highest peak in the Karkonosze Mountains and a prominent feature in both Poland and the Czech Republic. Given its location and significance, using the Polish name honors its geographical and cultural importance within Poland. Wikipedia’s naming conventions emphasize using the most common name in English, and "Śnieżka" is frequently used in English-language texts and references. This change would thus enhance consistency and recognizability for English-speaking users. Other geographical features with dual names often default to the version that holds the most international recognition. Renaming the article to "Śnieżka" follows this precedent and ensures coherence across Wikipedia entries. Paradygmaty (talk) 09:23, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 16, 2024

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  • (Discuss) – Nusantara → Nusantara (disambiguation) – When this move was nominated a year ago, the primary reason against such move was that it was too soon with the city then only in its planning stages along with doubts whether or not the city would even be completed. Now, in about a month the city would become the new capital of Indonesia, which I argue would make it the primary topic. The city also gets significantly more views than other topics with such name. Zinderboff(talk) 16:10, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • (Discuss) – CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions → Finalissima – I do not understand how the December move request was opposed. Per Wikipedia:Article titles, the title should be recognizable, concise, natural, precise, and consistent. The majority of the sources in the article uses Finalissima or Artemio Franchi Cup (which I hope we can agree is an outdated name), and very little refer to it as the "CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions". In fact source 1 of the article states that the "Cup of Champions" refers to the trophy and "Finalissima" is the tournament. Even a Google search of "CONMEBOL–UEFA Cup of Champions" gives you results on the UEFA Cup Winners' Cup and European Rugby Champions Cup with ESPN the only major site that (outside of Wikipedia) that returns this tournament. Google "Finalissima" on the otherhand and it returns results for this tournament from sites such as Sky Sports, BBC, The Guardian, and most importantly UEFA. The women's and fustal version of the tournament have been named "Finalissima". So why isn't the men's if article naming is supposed to be consistent? Mn1548 (talk) 08:43, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel → 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel – I believe that enough time has passed since the last RM (which proposed the simpler "7 October attacks" name and closed with consensus to retain the current title) to re-propose a title change for this article. I believe that "7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel" is the WP:COMMONNAME for this event, as seen in sources such as: * Al Jazeera: "... counter the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, which saw ..." * Bloomberg: "... trapped in Gaza since the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, which prompted ..." * CBC: "... around the world since the Hamas-led attacks on Israel of Oct. 7 but are now ..." * CNN: "... from the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel being held ..." * Euracitiv: "... triggered by the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel in which ..." * France24: "Before the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel that triggered ..." * ISW: "... spokesperson claimed that the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel was retaliation ..." * Middle East Eye: "Following the 7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel and subsequent ..." * NPR: "... Palestinian armed groups since the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel that set off the war ..." * NYTimes: "... including some who participated in the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, and that ..." * Reuters: "... were involved in the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel that precipitated ..." * Times of Israel: "... during and after the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel." * The Conversation: "... participated in the October 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, which resulted ... " * WaPo: "Since the Oct. 7 Hamas-led attack on Israel, restrictions have ..." Many sources simply say "7 October" or "October 7 attacks" instead of spelling out the full name, but I believe that while "7 October attacks" could be a more COMMON name, I think that it fails WP:AT#Precision in favor of "7 October Hamas-led attack on Israel." DecafPotato (talk) 00:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  — Amakuru (talk) 14:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – Sexual and gender-based violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel → Sexual violence in the 2023 Hamas-led attack on Israel – Gender-based violence is defined as "any type of harm that is perpetrated against a person or group of people because of their factual or perceived sex, gender, sexual orientation and/or gender identity".[1] It is not currently clear that this article deals with any such violence other than that of a sexual nature, and even then, the lede states that male Israelis were also subjected to sexual violence (which if true suggests that it was not gender-based). A previous discussion on this topic has also shown that many people do not understand what the term "gender-based violence" actually means, so whether including it in the title is usefully descriptive is quite questionable.

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  1. ^ "What is gender-based violence? - Gender Matters". Council of Europe.
TRCRF22 (talk) 14:54, 4 June 2024 (UTC) — Relisting.  ASUKITE 15:20, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • (Discuss) – 2024 Nuseirat rescue operation → Nuseirat raid and rescue – Most sources are dual referencing this as a raid, attack or assault rather than just as a rescue. Guardian "Israeli attacks in central Gaza killed scores of Palestinians, many of them civilians, on Saturday amid a special forces operation to free four hostages held there, with the death toll sparking international outrage." NYT "Israeli soldiers and special operations police rescued four hostages from Gaza on Saturday amid a heavy air and ground assault",CNN "Israel’s operation to rescue four hostages took weeks of preparation and involved hundreds of personnel, its military said. But the mission began with a trail of destruction in central Gaza and ended in carnage, according to local authorities." Selfstudier (talk) 15:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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