Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timberland (board game)

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The result was merge to Klaus Teuber. Consensus exists not to keep the article (between delete and M&R contributions) below, so taking the WP:ATD option here. Daniel (talk) 10:14, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Timberland (board game)

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PROD declined with no meaningful (and copy-paste) rationale by User:Andrew Davidson. PROD explanation was "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies)'s section for products requirement. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar. ". Note that the article makes a claim that "It came in 9th in the Deutscher Spiele Preis"; this is both unclear (what does it mean '9th'? DSP doesn't generally has rankings that go that low) and anyway, that claims is not referenced (it links to BGG entry for the game which does not have this claim). The article has not been improved after dePROD. Let's discuss... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 06:02, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

• Keep This is the work of Klaus Teuber – a remarkably successful designer. One would naturally expect their works to attract attention and so it proves. For example, in Eurogames: The Design, Culture and Play of Modern European Board Games, we read that "The first issue of The Game Cabinet included reviews of Reiner Knizia's Modern Art and Klaus Tueber's early family game Timberland (1989)...". So, more sources exist per WP:NEXIST and so WP:ATD applies: "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." Andrew🐉(talk) 09:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
  • Andrew Davidson, Can you tell us why The Game Cabinet is a WP:RS? This doesn't look very reliable to me, and a review published on a personal web 1.0 era webpage (even if said webpage calls itself a 'magazine' a claim that is clearly unsubstantiated by anything; there is no ISSN, no evidence of editorial board or peer reviews done, etc.) doesn't help establish notability per WP:SPS. PS. I did a bit more digging on TGC, it is certainly an interesting board game history footnote, but in the end, its own 'editor' described it as a "fanzine", so there's that. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:31, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
• Delete No significant coverage from actual reliable sources - fails WP:GNG. SK2242 (talk) 14:54, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
• Merge/Redirect to Klaus Teuber - I'm really not finding the kind of coverage on this early game of Teuber's that would justify an independent article. I also checked the German Wikipedia to see if they potentially had any non-English sources that I missed, and it does not appear they have an article on this particular game either. Klaus Teuber is, however, certainly notable, and it would definitely make sense to Redirect this to his article, where a list of his games is present. As this game is not actually present in that list currently, a quick merge would also need to be done as well. Rorshacma (talk) 17:28, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
• Merge/Redirect This seems like a no-brainer. WP is here to present knowledge in a human-convenient way; the only knowledge in this article (apart from the dubious bit about the Deutscher Spiele Preis) is that this is a game invented by the designer. It clearly therefore belongs in the list of games in the designer's article. Of course this never excludes the possibility that it might one day be sufficiently notable independently for its own article. Imaginatorium (talk) 09:47, 20 February 2021 (UTC)

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.