Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The 4th Reich (film)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete. There is consensus that the article at this time runs afoul of NFF. However, the article will be stored at the incubator. Xymmax So let it be written So let it be done 05:30, 10 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The 4th Reich (film)

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Future film failing WP:NFF - filming is "to begin in August". Has already been turned into a redirect, reverted, PRODded, dePRODded. PamD 21:24, 23 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 00:10, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Incubate Weak Delete per WP:NFF and still being premature. I managed to find another source speaking about the film other than the ONE sourcing the article... a quite nice one too.[1] But two articles do not meet the expectations of persistant and ongoing coverage that could have had us consider this as a possible exception to NFF. Nope. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 06:01, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Really? [2][3][4][5][6] etc. etc. --Niemti (talk) 06:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thank you much for what you brought forward. Dread Central [7] IS reliable enough for Wikipedia, and does share a short article on some pre-production artwork. I'd expect this one to be sourcing something in the "production" section of the article. Bloody Disgusting [8] is also an acceptable source, and I would expect it also to be used for sourcing something in the "production" section. Shock Till You Drop [9] is decent enough, but tells us filming was expected to begin in May. It was itself based upon THIS article in Screen Daily [10]. Sadly, while the interview in Hug A Zombie [11] is the best and most detailed of those you've shared, it is not considered a reliable source per Wikipedia standards. Andy Erupts [12] is also not considered a reliable source per Wikipedia standards, but even they tell us no more really than the film has locked a distribution deal and is not yet filming. The unreleased film projects in Wikipedia that do qualify as an exception to the insructions at WP:NFF, do so due to far more sourcing over a longer period of time and in many more reliable sources than we have here. And a point here is that many of the reliable sources brought speak toward a planned filming date whch has passed while the most recent one, from Stamford Mercury June 10 [13] currently used to source the article, tells us that fiming is now planned to begin in August. These are the changing production situations that WP:NFF was set to address. ONCE principle filming has been confirmed to have begun, then this article would be fine even with minimal sourcing and we'd have the expectation that it would grow and develop as release nears. Heck, I'd fully support it at that time and would even be happy to expand it. It's a close call perhaps, and I am sorry to rankle, but I still believe that this one is still just a tad TOO SOON. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 10:58, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
        • "Etc. etc." meant "and many more". I think there should be also some/much more about the original "award winning" short film from 2007. Anyway Oppose, and while I didn't create it I wanted to do it. --Niemti (talk) 12:09, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Changed my !vote above per WP:ATD as we do have an editor interested in improving the topic. I say, let him... out of mainsapce. This could be welcomed back in a matter of weeks. 07:05, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment: it seems a previous article for this film was CSDd in 2010,though the full text of the article is at that link: it described it as due for release in 2011. PamD 07:45, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes... a predictive stub that was, per WP:NFF, not at all ready for mainspace, much less the article incubator. But as time passes, even future films come closer to fruition. As this topic now has far more sourcing available than was available for the 2010 effort, and as we do have an author interested in improving it, incubation out of article space is what deletion policy offers as a suitable consideration other than outright deletion. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:30, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein  05:25, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Incubate (as original proposer of this AfD) - agree with MQS that this seems the right solution for an article which is likely to have a proper place in the encyclopedia but, per WP:NFF, isn't yet appropriate. PamD 06:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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