Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/TJ Rovinka
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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 04:44, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
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This is a long-unsourced article of a football club that seems to have never played in the highest Slovak First Football League. I can't find any significant coverage of this club that meets WP:GNG. My Google searches, even with "site:.sk" next to the club's name, only come up with club's official website and match reports, the former of which is not independent. Corresponding article on Slovak Wikipedia has been tagged for notability issues for years, which certainly may not help copy over English article. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations, Football, and Slovakia. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Comment. The team played on the third tier continuously from 2014 to 2022, and participated in the national cup. That's usually more than enough to merit inclusion. They might not be called "TJ Rovinka" in the coverage, probably just Rovinka. Geschichte (talk) 20:56, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 18:07, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of football clubs in Slovakia, where it can be added. That article is in need of an update/clean up anyway... GiantSnowman 18:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
- The list page seems to fail WP:NLIST, so I suggest someone nominate it for deletion too or alternatively redirect to Football in Slovakia. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 11:42, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep A list of Sportnet articles show the club has been consistently covered in local press in spite of refusing a promotion recently: [1] SportingFlyer T·C 21:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
- Most of them are paywalled, though. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- That doesn't matter. SportingFlyer T·C 12:45, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Most of them are paywalled, though. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 10:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of football clubs in Slovakia per above. This is an awful article with almost nothing behind it. Anwegmann (talk) 01:02, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
- Article notability is based on the overall notability of the topic, not the state of the article. SportingFlyer T·C 09:48, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Could we get more evaluation of the local coverage brought up by SportingFlyer and whether or not it is enough to satisfy our notability guidelines?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Malinaccier (talk) 15:51, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- Redirect to List of football clubs in Slovakia – Per above. Svartner (talk) 08:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep the Sportnet coverage that SportingFlyer points seems in-depth to me - there's many, many articles - but that's only one publications. But there's other sources out there as well, and frequent coverage of their matches. one two. Nfitz (talk) 17:12, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
- Bratislavský Futbalový Zväz looks like a blogspot to me... ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 09:29, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Weak keep. Had a good look for sources, plus information in general about this team. They most likely never played in the second tier of Slovak football either. Sport.sk seems to have nothing about them at all. Looking at the SME sources provided by SportingFlyer, I have summarized details of those references to aid the discussion here.
| Article | Overview | "more than a trivial mention" |
|---|---|---|
| Osobnosť majstra nominovali takmer všetci. Ako vyzerá ideálna jedenástka IV. ligy Bratislava? | Club managers of the fourth-tier league chose their ideal league XI at the end of the 2023-24 season. One of Rovinka's players made it on the list. | No |
| Bude mať Inter na drese meno trénera súpera? Lembakoali sa teší na strašiaka súťaže |
Discusses Rovinka having won the fourth tier in 2023 and refused promotion to the third level. | Yes |
| O tretiu ligu sa na západe strhol boj. Rovinka odmietla postup, kto ju nahradí? | Discusses Rovinka having refused promotion from the 2022–23 fourth tier, Bratislava league. | Yes |
| Spolu dali 81 gólov. Ako vyzerá ideálna jedenástka IV. ligy Bratislava? | Discusses team of the season for the 4th division (2022-23 season). | No |
| Pripravovali sa v akadémii Slovana. Na jar hrajú takmer stále doma a valcujú | Discusses Rovinka having won the 4th-tier league and having played 9 of the first 11 matches in the second half of the season at home. | Yes |
| IV. liga BFZ: Jeseň prežili v unimobunke. Napriek tomu sú prví a prekonal ich len Neapol | Review of the first half of 2022-23 fourth-tier season. | Yes |
| Hral za Petržalku a Slovan, pribrzdili ho zranenia. Teraz exceluje v štvrtej lige | Player interview. | No |
| Jesenný líder hral doma iba štyri zápasy. Na vlastný štadión sa vrátil po dvoch rokoch | Review of the first half of 2022-23 fourth-tier season. | Yes |
| VIDEO: Rozhodca zostal v šoku. Hráč sadol „na koňa“ a chcel skórovať | In a match against Rovinka, one opposition player got a piggy-back from a team-mate while their team was preparing to take a corner. The referee blew his whistle. | No |
| Klub z piatej ligy je v osemfinále pohára. Znie to ako sen, teší sa manažér | A team from the fifth tier beat Rovinka in the national cup. | No |
| Zaskočili velikánov. Ďalšie prekvapenia pandémia nedovolí | COVID eliminated all non-professional teams remaining in the 2020–21 Slovak Cup. | No |
| Senzácia v pohári. Fortunaligista vypadol s amatérmi | Amateur team Rovinka knocked fully-pro side Senica out of the national cup. | Yes |
For me there are 6 instances (some overlapping) where I would argue for it being more than a trivial mention – see third column. In addition to the SME sources, the first source from Nfitz in their comment above (Deník) discusses a 2017 "Super Cup" match between winners of regional cups in the Czech Republic versus Slovakia. According to that, Rovinka played in that on account of having won the Bratislava football association cup beforehand, which I found a primary source for here. All in all, I feel this scrapes WP:GNG. More sources may of course exist. C679 15:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist. Opinion is divided between Redirect and Keep, no support for a Deletion. It would be helpful to get feedback on the source analysis which seems to indicate adequate coverage.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 01:51, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep. I'm satisfied with Cloudz679's essential source analysis that sufficient RS has been found. Thank you. Thanks also to SportingFlyer for the many links to check. I'd sure like to see some sourcing applied. BusterD (talk) 12:16, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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