Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tři sestry (Czech band)

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:01, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Tři sestry (Czech band)

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Only coverage I see is what's on page already, and that mainly focuses on the murder of one of the band's members. Someone could probably make an article on that which mentions their part in the band, but I'm not sure it's appropriate material for this article and I don't see anything else centering this subject. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:01, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and Czech Republic. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:01, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
• Keep This band is notable in Czechia and Slovakia as one of the earliest punk bands after the Velvet Revolution, so if it's a question of references, those can be found. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:07, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

  If they can be then I invite you to do so and list them here. Not much use to just claim they exist without providing any evidence, now is it? After all, I already looked and I didn't see any, even in the Czech and Slovak versions of the article (nor any of the other three languages). QuietHere (talk | contributions) 01:33, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

  No need to get snarky, remember your wikietiquette.

  https://hockey-music.estranky.cz/clanky/tri-sestry/historie-tri-sester.html

  https://www.unesco-czech.cz/900_101581_tri-sestry/

  https://www.ireport.cz/clanky/interpreti/13438-tri-sestry

  https://www.csmusic.cz/skup-41-tri-sestry

  Let me know if you need more links. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 01:49, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

  Hockey Music is a blog and CSMusic appears to only post press releases. I have reason, mainly because it's not a publication, to suspect UNESCO-Czech isn't the origin of that writeup and it could also be a press release. iReport is promising but it's gonna take more than just the one. So yes, more links please. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 03:41, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

  I found those after a basic google search, which proves that they are out there. The band is clearly notable in Czechia and Slovakia, having strongly influenced the music scene since the countries democratized in the early 1990s, and it's puzzling to me why you don't see this. Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 04:49, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

  As an American, I openly admit that I know nothing about Czech or Slovak music so I can't speak to that. What I can do is look for reliable sources which evidence this claim you're making, and between the two of us there's been a lack of those so far. I can't just assume notability based on your claim that it exists. That's not to say it doesn't, but that I haven't seen it and must draw my conclusion based on that. This is as simple as Wikipedia policy gets. Now since you mention that their prominence comes in the early 1990s, perhaps that's a sign that what coverage does exist simply isn't available online and would be more easily found in contemporary newspapers and magazines. If you know of an archive for those which would have coverage on this band, that'd be a great place to look. Perhaps you'll find a treasure trove of coverage and I'll have to concede that you were correct all along. But I can't do that based solely on assumptions. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 05:06, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Keep. I don't like the genre, but: although the band is probably not very well known outside the country, although their songs are not played on mainstream radio, and although the claim that "strongly influenced the music scene" is an exaggeration, it is most likely notable enough. The band is in Beat Hall of Fame, it appears in the Czech mainstream media (1, 2), it main-evented a concert to celebrate 50 years of big beat in the Czech Republic, and three books were written about it (mapping 15, 25 and 30 years of the band's existence). How many Czech bands can say that? But there is no dispute that the site is in poor condition, missing references and not sufficiently documented significance. FromCzech (talk) 06:26, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Keep - those mainstream media articles linked above, with the 3 books on the band's history, are proof of Notability. They should be added to the article with text about what they reported. Chiswick Chap (talk) 07:36, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

• Keep - The article needs improvement, not deletion. For a band that goes back to the pre-Internet days and started during a Communist regime, searching requires some more effort. In addition to the sources listed by voters above, a Google Books search finds that the band is mentioned regularly in books about their country's music scene and/or rock music under Communism. Since their name is a common Czech phrase ("three sisters") a search in conjunction with frontman Lou Fanánek Hagen leads to results. His article here has some possible sources that could benefit the band's article as well. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:42, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
• Keep (barely): somewhere in the mess of refs above is something resembling notability. I removed unsourced information from the article per BURDEN and BLP.  // Timothy :: talk  01:48, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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