Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steak and Blowjob Day (second nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus. Shanel 06:48, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Steak_and_Blowjob_Day

• • KEEP IT, it's great and if they can have Secretary's day, I mean Administrative Assistant's Day, why can't we have our special day, too?
  • KEEP - you know it makes sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 135.196.109.220 (talk • contribs)

• • Have to KEEP - when i was told hey do you know what march 14 is? i was like huh? but now i know.. for the sake fo knowledge this should be kept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.155.227.163 (talk • contribs)

• KEEP I was confused when I was told by a friend that it was S+B Day, then given no further explanation. This page is the reason I know know what it is and by the looks of things it is a genuine thing that is known around the world so to delete this page would a fallacy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.82.232 (talk • contribs)
• STRONG KEEP I was sent the link to the Steak&BJ Day site by a female colleague. To say it's not a famous holiday is ridiculous..... everyone I know, knows of the 'existence' of this humourous day (although there seems to be confusion over the exact date.)Maybe because most of my friends are men, and real women with a sense of humour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.9.52.185 (talk • contribs)

• KEEP Regardless of whether the holiday is genuine or not the article should be kept - I do not see any significant differences from many urban legends which feature articles discussing their nature. Perhaps the article should focus more on the steak and bj day's roots in web culture with similar references, in order to highlight it's fictional nature rather than give any impression that the day is in any way a genuine holiday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.110.69.163 (talk • contribs)

• KEEP Not only is this holiday authentic (as authentic as Pi day), this article in particular is comprehensive. It should stay. I'm a librarian and agree that to have comprehensive infoprmation on this holiday is essential, especially in a reliable resource. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.183.188.83 (talk • contribs)

• KEEP This day came up in discussion and this encylopedia gave all the information needed to understand how the day came about and the history behind it. To delete the reference would be defeating the purpose of an online encylopedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malc London (talk • contribs)

• keepAll the people who want this holiday gone are women. well earth to the ladies...best holiday ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.140.160.124 (talk • contribs)

Delete This article is about a non-existent holiday, created by a radio DJ, and is not famous or well-known enough to be considered encyclopedic. Also, this did not reach a proper resolution the last time an AfD occurred for it. SteveJ2006 21:55, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Non-existent "holiday" --Ruby 22:07, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Not this one again. It was non-notable then, it's non-notable now. --Kinu ^t/_c 22:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
  • For cross reference purposes, here's the original AfD. --Kinu ^t/_c 22:20, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, although I admit it could use some improvement. I've heard of it several times independently, so I think it's well known enough to deserve an article. -- stillnotelf has a talk page 22:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep This is a real holiday. I've heard it from Americans, French and even here in Ireland. It is a practiced holiday making it real, although it is slightly humourous. It would not be just to take away a male holiday since we get Valentines Day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.72.52 (talk • contribs) 22:19, 19 February 2006 (UTC) (This was left on the talk page -- stillnotelf has a talk page 23:08, 19 February 2006 (UTC))
• Delete per nom, lack of reliable sources. -- Dragonfiend 23:48, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Neologistic, non-notable holiday. -- Krash (Talk) 00:12, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Comment It had previously been speedy deleted. That being said, the joke has spread to other outlets, including The Onion. It may be notable, if the article is cleaned-up. --Karnesky 00:18, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Semi-notable, probably slightly below the level of Talk Like A Pirate day. Haikupoet 03:47, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I wondered the same thing and found that Talk Like A Pirate Day was much more notable in comparison. Talk Like A Pirate Day returned 340 hits on nexis, including articles in AutoWeek, The Baltimore Sun, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Sporting News, Navy Times, The New York Times, and 4 articles in the Washington Post alone. Steak and Blowjob Day returned only one article, in a college newspaper (The California Aggie of U. California-Davis). -- Dragonfiend 03:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I think the holiday gains notoriety every year - perhaps if it is deleted on notability this year it will pass sometime in the future. (I would also comment that this makes SD as recreated content a very iffy issue.) -- stillnotelf has a talk page 04:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • It occurred to me later that this holiday will never get mainstream press coverage - you don't see "blowjob" printed in family newspapers very often. -- stillnotelf has a talk page 06:24, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Nexis contains alternative newspapers as well, and it appears this isn't even getting non-mainstream press coverage. The OC Weekly, LA Weekly, Village Voice, Houston Press, Miami New Times and others even manage to get "steak" and "blowjob" into the same article, but unfortunately not in any way that involves this topic. For example, The OC Weekly printed the line "Saying Sid's is a great place because you can get a piece of crap steak for 10 bucks is like bragging about getting a $5 blowjob from a homeless crack addict with trench mouth (who happens to be a relative)." I doubt the reason they haven't covered this holiday is just because it has a naughty word in its name. -- Dragonfiend 07:09, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep I have heard of it other places as well, the article deserves to stay — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.65.115 (talk • contribs) 04:48, 20 February 2006
• I think the big question is, even as more people might hear about it, is anyone actually practicing this "holiday"? If no one, or barely anyone, is actually practicing it, then it can't be considered more than the slightly humorous joke it was meant to be. SteveJ2006 06:03, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete DJ Clayworth 06:06, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom TheRingess 07:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Delete or maybe BJAODN?: per nom. —Wknight94 (talk) 13:31, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Strong Keep. It's real. Has its own website and well over 10,000 google hits for steak "bj day" Night Gyr 13:40, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
  • More evidence: Recent article in Kansas City Star Most people refer to it as "Steak and BJ day" so you'll get many more hits if you use BJ in your search. Night Gyr 20:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, noted by syndicated columnist Dan Savage [1], international news columns [2]. --badlydrawnjeff (WP:MEME?) 14:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, plenty of specific hits on Google and USENET; popular in the blogosphere. -Big Smooth 17:18, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep, In my case this is just as valid as valentine's day. If the missus doesn't acknowledge steak and BJ day, then I won't acknowledge valentine's day - simple as that. Public holidays are generally just commercial inventions anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.132.58.4 (talk • contribs)
• Keep. I've heard of it and I live in Finland. --Easyas12c 23:40, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. The fact that this article keeps on popping up suggests that it's notable enough to be included. It may have been started as a joke, but so did a whole lot of other popular movements, including Talk Like a Pirate Day and Flying Spaghetti Monsterism. --Modemac 02:46, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Totally legitimate.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.94.41 (talk • contribs) 03:53, 21 February 2006
• Keep. As legitimate as many other holidays, as previously noted. --Js farrar 10:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. There must be a celebration of men aswell! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.178.62.18 (talk • contribs)
• Keep. I hear more about this day than I do "Talk like a Pirate Day". I know a lot of people who talk about this day. It's more popular than most people believe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tlegower (talk • contribs)
• Keep. I have personally celebrated this day with my partner for several years now - hey, she would prefer a steak and some oral to a bunch of flowers too... As far as I am aware there is no restriction on (for instance) religious holidays to require a certain threshold of participants before it "sufficiently exists" to warrant inclusion and it seems highly dismissive to attempt to apply such arbitrary heuristics to this content. Secondly, even if only a very small group (or indeed no-one) observe this holiday then it still does not undermine the fact that this day was created and promoted by Tom Birdsey, has an independent website and a large amount of existing references - I would note the issues and disputes, but would not censor what I perceive as legitimate content. (An aside - Neologism is not an argument for deletion per se as the content guidelines acknowledge. Indeed wikipedias own definition states "Neologisms are especially useful in identifying inventions, new phenomena, or old ideas which have taken on a new cultural context."). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.95.35.98 (talk • contribs)
• Delete Stupid first time, stupid second time. And no, I'm not a woman. Denni ☯ 02:32, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• I would think it might be worth mentioning on here that at least half of the votes for "keep" have been from anonymous, unsigned users, a good portion of whom have no prior contributions to wikipedia. SteveJ2006 04:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep. Looks like it has enough exposure to be mentioned in a #1 link on Google for keywords "March 20th". Note to SteveJ2006 on his comment above: getting Elitist, aren't we?
• Keep. This is a no brainer. We don't remove wiki entries become someone thinks something is silly. It is a well known day, and there is absolutely no justification for removing it. "Non-notable"?!? Get with the programme, people... --Nzwiki 09:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Neologistic nonsense. Arundhati Bakshi 13:50, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep It's a piece of easily recognized internet culture. -- cheapcheap 16:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

• KEEP there is no reason to dcelete it, and it is a piece of IRC humor TinGrin87 18:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• Weak Keep I guess it is possible for nearly anything to gain sufficient notability in the internet age. Carlossuarez46 19:50, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
• KEEP Just because its not an officially recognised 'holiday' doesn't make it any less real. It exists in some form or another, so why not have an article on it? Just because a few people don't like nor believe in its concept doesn't mean it shouldn't be documented. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.97.52.57 (talk • contribs)
• Keep. I'd like to point out first I am of the female persuasion and am all for s&bj day in general and as such feel it should be kept. It's definitely more fun (and generally cheaper) tha Valentines Day and instead of focussing on pointless poems, gives the reciever some sustenance and fun. Oh and there's noit can't be reciprocal, far as I know, so other women shouldn't be unhappy about it. Besides, the simple fact that it has incited so much conversation from guests as well as regular wikipedia peeps suggests that it does carry cultural significance and should be kept in some form, even if it is only as the S&BJ Day Debate/Controversy. Madmarsagin 04:39, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• KEEP Much more enjoyable holiday than that silly christmas thing. JohnFM 08:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Kep Agree with sentiment re: FSM and Pirate day. I've heard about this "holiday" every year for four years now, from separate sources. Ironically, there seems to be some confusion about when it is, though... If you Google for "March 20th", the first hit is about this "holiday". Heck, I say keep just because I'm annoyed by people who's only argument against it is that it's Neologistic.  :-D Come on, people, EVERYTHING is new at some point. Ehurtley 09:27, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep JeffBurdges 13:42, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
• Keep: have heard of it from enough independent sources. – Smyth\^talk 15:30, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

KEEP it babies

• STRONG KEEP several reasons - 1) Legitimate bit of Internet Culture (more than 3 nerds in a blog) 2) just as legitamate as other "phenomenons" we have seen turn into holidays 3) many external links lead here,and Wiki is a source of much knowlege 4) don't be a prude... this may be sophmoric, but it is an amusing attempt at equality. Make it "steak and backrub" day on your own calendar, if you must. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Honk Bag (talk • contribs)
  • Above is user's first contribution to Wikipedia... which seems to be a running theme in this AfD. Where were all these people during the first AfD for this article, anyway? The answer may shock you... --Kinu ^t/_c 23:20, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Yes, there are obviously shenanigans going on here, but there are still plenty of "keep" votes with valid reasoning from established Wikipedians. -Big Smooth 00:09, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
      • If it looks close based upon a random sampling, then the votes can always be sorted by presence of past contributions. I found at least once case of shenanigans on the deletion side too. JeffBurdges 11:37, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Keep This certainly at this point bears noting as an internet phenomena at the very least. There is substantial blog activity on the topic, and I would second the notion "Don't be a prude". bigfatbass 03:53, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.