Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sobha Ltd.

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The result was keep. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 06:38, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Sobha Ltd.

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Promotional and non-notable; The revue etc. are in Rupees, not dollars, so it's not all the large a company as it might look. The awards do not seem reliable criteria of notability; the refs are notices or PR. As forpromotionalism , look at the repetition. and the puffery . If there were underlying notability it could be rewritten, so it isn't a G11; but the notability is just not there. See also the adjacent afd, part of the same publicity campaign. The talk p.of the article indicates the scoiped of the problem here--its an obvious COI editor. . DGG ( talk ) 05:39, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 05:47, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 05:47, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. SwisterTwister talk 05:47, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

• @DGG: I am not sure bringing all these articles to AfD will solve the problem. Why not instead come over to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Business ‎ and talk to some frustrated wanabee editors who are trying, without success to figure out what they are supposed to do. Ottawahitech (talk) 00:06, 20 December 2015 (UTC)please ping me

I did comment there. This is an article which does serve as a good example of the problems. DGG ( talk ) 01:18, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you DGG, I know you are busy so your effort is appreciated. I hope there are still editors interested in wiki-proj Business (the entry you posted at sat unanswered since November 22). This is not a project I know much about so I checked the stats and it appears that it was much busier about a month ago. Go figure, maybe its the holidays? Ottawahitech (talk) 01:30, 20 December 2015 (UTC)please ping me

• Keep the article is a simple overview of a notable company.

1. New realty bill will provide Sobha Ltd a near-term edge: JC Sharma, VC & MD
2. Sobha Limited forays into Commercial Space, launches 'Sobha City Mall' at Sobha City Thrissur
3. Sobha Ltd to build new housing project in Gurgaon at Rs 1,000 cr
4. Sobha Ltd Q2 profit dives 33% on lower sales
5. Realty firm Sobha's Q2 sales bookings down 11% at Rs 495 crore

This is obviously highly watched stock in the Indian markets, mentioned in their press at least weekly and certainly meets notability. The awards might be a little fluffy, I reduced the section to somewhat of a list, one of the awards cites might be self sourced press release, the others are from recognizable Indian news outlets. Not cause for deleting the article, the firm obviously meets notability on other merits. 009o9 (talk) 07:36, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

I consider these mostly mere routine notices, not coverage in depth. DGG ( talk ) 07:53, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

• Keep Below Sobha Ltd finance reports from Google, NDTV, economic times shows this article is notable & adhere to wiki guidelines.

1. Google Finance
2. Sobha Ltd(NSE:SOBHA) on Google Finance
3. Sobha consolidated yearly results, Financial statement & accounts
4. Sobha Reports, company history

--Deepak HM 12:21, 21 December 2015 (UTC)Deepakhmwiki

• • All 4 of these are sources derived tfrom thecompany and therefoe do not show notability DGG ( talk ) 07:36, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Dear DGG got few verifiable sources, might help to verify for notability

1. Bangalore: Karnataka government on Tuesday gave its green signal to take up second phase of Bangalore metroproject at an investment of about Rs 27,000 crore.Sobha Developers would be given the contract to develop this project
2. Sobha Ltd. indepth history & reports on ndtv
3. Real Estate Companies in India

--Deepak HM 14:46, 22 December 2015 (UTC)Deepakhmwiki

Notability: Few Reliable sources to provide verifiable evidence that they have developed India's largest IT parks & corporate offices for companies like Infosys, Bayer, Biocon, HCL,

1. Sobha has developed the Infosys campus in Bangalore
2. INFOSYS DOME Consultants: Sobha Developers
3. SSC&B, Bangalore, bags prestigious Sobha Developers account
4. BNGALORE: Sobha Developers got Rs 168 crore worth of contractual development work for office spaces in Bangalore, from PC manufacturer Dell and European automotive major Bosch.

--Deepak HM 09:00, 23 December 2015 (UTC)Deepakhmwiki

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —UY Scuti ^Talk 17:10, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

• Keep per the significant coverage in The Hindu, The Times of India, Business Line, The Financial Express, and Daily News and Analysis provided by 009o9 (talk · contribs) and Deepakhmwiki (talk · contribs). The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

  Sobha is a publicly traded corporation. Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Publicly traded corporations says (my bolding):

  There has been considerable discussion over time whether publicly traded corporations, or at least publicly traded corporations listed on major stock exchanges such as the NYSE and other comparable international stock exchanges, are inherently notable. Consensus has been that notability is not automatic in this (or any other) case. However, sufficient independent sources almost always exist for such companies, so that notability can be established using the primary criterion discussed above. Examples of such sources include independent press coverage and analyst reports. Accordingly, article authors should make sure to seek out such coverage and add references to such articles to properly establish notability.

  Editors coming across an article on such a company without such references are encouraged to search (or request that others search) prior to nominating for deletion, given the very high (but not certain) likelihood that a publicly traded company is actually notable according to the primary criterion.

  Cunard (talk) 01:42, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
• Keep - coverage as shown by above editors passes WP:GNG. Unlike other AfD discussions where I've cited WP:DEL4 as a rationale for deletion, I do not feel that guideline is relevant in this instance. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:23, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

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