Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Racism and Zionism

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tan ǀ 39 02:14, 8 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Racism and Zionism

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It's taken a while for me to reach this conclusion, but I now believe that the article on Racism and Zionism serves no useful purpose and should be removed from Wikipedia. Much of the article's content is encyclopedic, but the page itself is little more than a hodge-podge of definitions, quote-farming and tangentially-related sub-topics. Much like Allegations of apartheid, this article seems fated to remain a WP:SYNTH violation even if the actual content is significantly improved.

We already have articles on United Nations General Assembly Resolution 3379 and United Nations General Assembly Resolution 46/86. Any other encyclopedic information that currently exists on this page can surely be moved elsewhere.

This article was nominated for deletion once before, but I believe the circumstances were somewhat different at the time (for one thing, the article had a different title). In any event, I'm not convinced that the decision made by the closing admin was an accurate reflection of the discussion. CJCurrie (talk) 22:40, 31 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak delete A good encyclopedia article could be written on the subject, but this certainly isn't it. This is an essay. I think the current article is so hopelessly bad that it should be deleted. Maybe other editors, with appropriate WP:RS, can create a good article without relying on WP:SYNTH. Until then, it should be deleted. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 01:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Subject matter is clearly notable, as evidenced by the many sources cited. That the article needs work is not a reason to delete. DickClarkMises (talk) 02:37, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This isnt' an article. It's a group of unrelated sections and therefore merely a big pile of WP:SYNTH and an embarassment to Wikipedia. пﮟოьεԻ 57 08:17, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Malik Shabazz. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 08:22, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep That an article is not well written is not a reason to delete it but to improve it, something which some editors seem to have overlooked. The article could most definitely be improved, and should be done so in a NPOV way, but we cannot disregard the fact that the topic is both verifiable and notable, as it is regularly used both in debates and in news coverage. Please note that this is not a comment on whether it is correct to make the connection, it is a comment on the notability of the issue. JdeJ (talk) 11:43, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The fact that the article may or may not demonise Israel is not material to whether the article should be deleted; clearly an article of this title could be written either way or neutrally: if it demonises Israel, it could be edited to make it neutral. However, there are several good reasons to delete the article: First, the presumption of Wikipedia is against "and" topics. There are potentially endless "and" articles on topics like these. Second, the topic of the article is extremely vague, and potentially huge. There are currently three main topics the article addresses: 1) The racist attitudes or otherwise of the early Zionists. (This would be better covered in History of Zionism, Theodor Herzl, Old Yishuv, First Aliyah, etc.) 2) Whether or not Zionism - the idea of a Jewish state - is necessarily racist. (This is already addressed at [[1]] and Anti-Zionism, as well as Right of Return.) 3) The question of whether Israel discriminates. First, discrimination and racism are different, so this shouldn't be even addressed here. Rather, this could be dealt with adequately at the Israel article, as well as articles like Human rights in Israel, Arab citizens of Israel, Politics of Israel, Israeli-occupied territories, Political status of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, Demographics of Israel, Israeli law. It is significant that the last time the AFD was made, there was not really strong consensus: I think 8 keep, 6 delete, 5 merge/redirect. Most of the keepers, and other comments, said the article needed massive overhaul, but it hasn't got it. BobFromBrockley (talk) 12:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Per DGG's argument. Notable topic it just needs to be fleshed out for POV concerns. --Ave Caesar (talk) 12:35, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I just looked at what links to the page. As far as I can tell, only redirect pages link here. Another reason to delete!BobFromBrockley (talk) 10:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This article's subject matter does not completely fit within that of any other article, even the one on the UN resolution which maintained for 16 years or so that "Zionism is racism" until repealed in 1991. Discussion of the topic has continued since 1991. It is not identical to the question of whether a system like apartheid exists in Israel or the occupied lands. As seen in the U.S., racism is in no way synonymous with apartheid. It has references to substantial coverage of the topic in numerous reliable sources, satisfying WP:N. Many Wikipedia articles have need of editing to improve the writing quality, but that is not a good ground for deletion. Edison (talk) 18:10, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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