Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Princess Felicitas of Prussia

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The result was no consensus. Michig (talk) 08:05, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Princess Felicitas of Prussia

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Contested prod, this person's only claim to notability is that she is a granddaughter of the last Crown Prince of Germany, notability is not inherited, as she was born after Germany became a republic I question if she can be described as a princess. PatGallacher (talk) 00:02, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. lavender|^{(formerlyHMSSolent)}|lambast 01:09, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. NORTH AMERICA¹⁰⁰⁰ 11:30, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

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• Keep Typically, we have covered royal families here on Wikipedia, even those who are no longer the reigning monarchs (Which, in the case of Europe, is what most of them are, as there are are relatively few reigning European monarchies, nowadays). Ejgreen77 (talk) 17:30, 28 February 2015 (UTC)
• Delete She was not born until significantly after the Prussian royal family stopped having any power or control. There is nothing about here that makes her notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:56, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
• Keep: passes GNG due to coverage. pbp 00:05, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- Sam Sailor ^Talk! 12:03, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

• Delete I could not find any sources by search engine that are not passing mentions. The article's only link, to google news, fails with a 404.

If notability is established though, there is the question of the name. WP:NCROY is not clear on whether she should be called "princess", given that nobility titles bear no sovereignty anymore. Take that with a grain of salt; it might be my Frenchness talking, and I notice such articles often have the title in English WP but not in French WP (fr:Jean-Christophe_Napoléon vs. en:Jean-Christophe,_Prince_Napoléon; fr:Henri_d'Orléans_(1933) vs. en:Henri_d'Orléans,_Count_of_Paris). Tigraan (talk) 15:44, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

• Keep Appears in Debrett. Worst case is that we'd merge up into some other article such as House of Hohenzollern or Prince Wilhelm of Prussia. There seems to be little point in doing that and so it's simplest to leave well alone. Andrew D. (talk) 18:48, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
• Comment - Unsure on this case on her actual notability, but about the talk of whether or not to use her title, but I will note that even if they aren't legally reigning anymore the other families do tend to recognise them. The Queen of England, the monarchs of Scandinavia, and the other reigning royalty of Europe regularly attend weddings and other events for these persons and invite them to events such as the Queen's jubilee (where she held a 'monarch only dinner', most of the attendees holding defunct thrones. So, they are still considered 'royalty' by default. JT_dale^Talk~ 12:40, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, yes, of course the Queen of England will invite 'Princess XXX' and not 'Mrs. XXX' is such a title can be found. I do not think the Queen of England (or any other nobility, whose titles are active or inactive) is a reliable, non-biaised source, though. Conversely, I suppose Dennis Skinner would show the opposite bias. (Which does not prevent the QoE or DS to be reliable sources on other subjects).

The question would better be "what are them called by the media", but then there is the problem that such persons are of interest to the media at least partly because of their nobility. Tigraan (talk) 15:53, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

• Keep. A significant member of a significant royal house. I think she makes the notability bar. As to not being a princess, government decree doesn't decide who is and is not royal - that's decided by birth. German royalty still commonly use their titles, whatever their government may say about it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:01, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

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