Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Prince Karl of Hesse

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:25, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Prince Karl of Hesse

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Fails WP:GNG. Sources include passing mentions in a couple of books about other people and a self-published fansite. DrKay (talk) 14:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Royalty and nobility and Germany. DrKay (talk) 14:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:03, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. References add up to enough to pass GNG. The coverage of his wedding in 1966 by Pathé News, a British newsreel company, was the equivalent of coverage by network television news today. The book references are way more than passing mentions, and the subject doesn't have to be the primary topic of a book for it to be a valid reference. Being a German aristocrat is not by itself enough to establish notability, but an aristocrat who attracts consistent media attention can be notable. Interestingly, the German Wikipedia doesn't have an article on him, but the French and Dutch ones do. Someone who reads German might be able to find additional references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:15, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Just sources are just about sufficient for general notability. Cortador (talk) 21:07, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Enough sources to pass notability so meets WP:Basic. Azarctic (talk) 11:58, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. The wedding might be notable as a news event, but all the other citations are books about other people (Queen Sophia or the Nazi Hesses) or directories. Celia Homeford (talk) 09:23, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 17:49, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete The only item that get somehow significant coverage was his marriage. Therefore this is a case for WP:ONEEVENT and this only got attention because of the attending guests, not the couple itself. So, no notability. -- Theoreticalmawi (talk) 15:05, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep The several book notices of the subject pass WP:Basic. Axisstroke (talk) 20:52, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

  I wonder how you come to "serveral" book notices? 2 of the 4 books (with one listed double) are simple name directories, one is covering his father (with one trivial mention, that his father choosed the name "Adolf" for him to honor Adolf Hitler). I was not able to get access to the fourth book but given the sourced information and the title of the book, his coverage there is not substantial either. So, there is at maximum one book, which is very clearly about a differnt person. How can this add up to "significant coverage"? --Theoreticalmawi (talk) 08:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Meets at least WP:Basic. The fact that the wedding was attended by notable people is an indication of societal notability which also attracted media attention. And being cited in multiple books is an indication of notability even if he is not the subject of those books. Ednabrenze (talk) 06:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete seems notable for only one event, with a sprinkling of passing mentions. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 06:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep barely fulfils WP:SIGCOV (but fulfils!) as Karl himself is not the subject of the books – only mentioned there, and I don’t see any more WP:GNG points checked here Vorann Gencov (talk) 12:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Besides the basic, significant coverage, deleting an article about a controversial first cousin of the current King of the UK reduces our coverage. I also support keeping based on my own usual standards for royalty (see my user page). Bearian (talk) 01:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

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