Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Non-Muslim interactants with Muslims during Muhammad's era

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus so keep. the wub "?!" 12:30, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Non-Muslim interactants with Muslims during Muhammad's era

• Delete non-encyclopedic, possible content fork minus the POV. Possibe merge with Muhammad is needed.--Jersey Devil 03:43, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

• Note that this has previously gone through an AFD. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Non-Muslims Interactants with Muslims During Muhammad's Era. Pepsidrinka 04:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment User Jersey Devil appears to be on the war path against User Striver by proposing all articles created by the latter for deletion. Sad. Lambiam 16:44, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Comment, interesting. Can you please elaborate on why we should keep this page?--Jersey Devil 21:29, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete. Doesn't seem encyclopedic, or to have any references. Harro5 04:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment, indeed and thus it also fits deletion criteria of original research.--Jersey Devil 04:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete A completely unworkable list. Could conceivably contain many thousands of people. Zora 04:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per Zora. Pepsidrinka 04:32, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete- Yet another well-meaning list that is unfortunately too broad to be useful. Reyk 04:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete, a list whose usefulness I can't fathom. Grandmasterka 05:59, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete as unencyclopedic. --Terence Ong 06:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep The article lacked a apropriate introduction, that is fixed. The list is needed to list the people that meet Muhamamd and his companions. We already have list of the Muslim ones, the List of Sahaba. And this is the list of the non-Muslims. The name of the article is strange since consept lacks a formal name, but the concept is real, verifible and sourced, just read the article of the people listed.--Striver 14:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per [Dec 05] precedent and per Striver. Most of the people on the list have their own articles; with lists, notable members is always implied. Provides a worthwhile guide to people associated with an important moment in history. Smerdis of Tlön 16:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete I dont't get the point of a list of that sort. What's next? List of Vikings who interacted with Sudanese in the 14th century? Sandstein 16:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Wow, I'd love to read that, if you can make it. --Irishpunktom\^talk 00:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete. Unencylopedic and staggeringly poorly titled. NicM 16:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC).
• Delete. Even the title is confusing: a list of everyone who wasn't Muslim, but talked to a Muslim, during this specific period? I don't see what use the list is. -- Mithent 19:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• delete this article might merit encyclopedic content but it is too poorly explained and too confusing to have any real value. Niffweed17, Destroyer of Chickens 20:49, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep per User:Ihcoyc and User:Striver. — Adrian~enwiki (talk) 21:03, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep terrible title and needs a cleanup but ... too soon to bring back to AfD, some interesting content and war paths should be discouraged. Dlyons493 Talk 22:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep - Jersey Devils Crusade against the forces of Striver Continues. maybe rename, somehow, but clear keep. --Irishpunktom\^talk 00:41, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Someone asked why this particular time is relevant. It is relevant since Muhamamd is a very notable name. The list could be named "list of non-Muslims who meet Muhamamd", but that would excluded people who meet the Muslims that fleed to ethiopia. Those people where very prominent, the first Caliph was one of them, and another would become Muhmmads wife. So the list is expaned to include non-Muslims that where involved in such a notable situations. Remeber, people from 1400 years ago are not remebered if they where non-notable, specialy not non-Muslims in Muslim books. And c'mon, we have List of United States Presidents by height order. List name is bad, article is valid, verifiable and notable.--Striver 23:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep, I think the list is historically relevant, agree that it is complementary to List of Sahaba, and think it is encyclopedic. -- Samir (the scope) 23:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep if sources cited. Denni ☯ 01:08, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

All sources are cited in the article of the people, no need to clogg this article by repeating them. However, if you dissagre, it can be arranged.--Striver 01:44, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete Not notable. joturner 01:50, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per above --Khoikhoi 06:39, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Pecher ^Talk 22:17, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

please consider that the events during Muhammads time are very notable to both Muslims and non-Muslim scholars of Islam, and also consider List of US Presidents by height order.--Striver 23:27, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Another thing, the list is not "to broad to be usefull", Muhammad did'nt live for more than a few years after conquering the Arabian penisula, so most people in the list are Arabs that didnt became Muslims during Muhammads time.--Striver 23:29, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

• Delete per all above. I'm afraid I don't see the use in this list any more than Non-Mormon interactants with Mormons during Joseph Smith's era or any other topic defined along these lines. Esquizombi 09:09, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Are that period and people documented? Where they engaged in wars? Did they shape the life of 1 000 000 000 people? Where they involved in the unification of the Islamic empire? Do we have a List of Joseph Smith companions? We do have a list of Sahaba. The people in the article are notble, each have their own article. We need somewhere where we can access all of them, in the same way we have a list to access all Sahaba. Its two sides of the same coin. People that lived during Muhammads time. The Muslims are called Sahaba, and there is a list of them. This is a list of the non-Muslims. --Striver 15:07, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

• Keep Historically relevant. Nigelthefish 14:55, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
• Keep with cleanup/verify tags, significant subject -- Astrokey44|talk 02:30, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.