Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nick Coler

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep (non-admin closure) --LlamaAl (talk) 00:46, 23 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nick Coler

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As it is, the article fails WP:MUSICBIO as none of the references discuss this individual, they all merely list his name as a contributor to particular albums. Maybe the refs are out there, but I didn't find them in google. MJH (talk) 03:24, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep/Merge. Writing multiple hit songs for several artists [1], being a member of a notable band, and winning an award from a quality publication. These make him notable. --Michig (talk) 08:05, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Actually this leads me to believe that the Producer of the Year award wasn't for him individually. Given that his songwriting credits are also as part of the Xenomania team (please correct me if I'm wrong), and that he wasn't one of the core members of the KLF, I think perhaps a selective merge to Xenomania might be appropriate. --Michig (talk) 22:38, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I see what you are saying regarding the music week producer of the year award being part of the xenomania team perhaps that should be edited to say that it was awarded to the team, of which he was one of 8 people, however i think he was undoubtedly one of the core members of the KLF, as its referenced by the 2 high profile partners of the group in their book, added to by the credits on his discogs pages and allmusic / prs lists and numerous other biographies including bbc biogs and official xenomania articles (which i linked in the article). To merge i thought would clutter up the xenomania page with unrelated items, such as alice cooper, klf, the rubettes, the tweenies, and seems unwieldy to do since the other core members have separate pages. Tim Powell and Miranda Cooper do (with whom he shares his ivor novello nominations), or am i misunderstanding and these should be marked for merging too. I'm not hugely involved in wikipedia yet, having only contributed a handful of pages, so perhaps i don't understand fully the criteria for a notable person, sorry if thats the case, my intention was to continue adding to the page as i gathered more information and fill the gap regarding . On the credits, i felt that there were definitely enough notable credits outside of xenomania, from the tweenies to alice cooper to goldie and the rubettes, and writing the hit lady rain for the australian band indecent obsession which was number a one for 3 months across asia that he deserved his own page. --Tsebaoth —Preceding undated comment added 00:23, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - If you synthesize all the minor mentions, I agree that he might seem to be notable. All the credits include his name in listings, not discussions. These listings result in a storm of google hits, with no substance. An eight person team won a producer of the year award, and his name was in the list of members (he is just mentioned in passing in the long Xenomania article). For example, in the Kylie Minogue Boombox album where he is credited [2], he is one of 39 composers on the album and 7 on the one song he co-composed. I looked at several songs, and he is always among 5-7 other composers. Seems like a legit employed music guy, but behind the scenes. In the end, I am ambivalent, but reading WP:MUSICBIO it still seems to falls short.--MJH (talk) 15:58, 8 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep He has been nominated for 3 Ivor Novello awards, probably some of the most coveted songwriter awards in the world, for The Promise by Girls Aloud [3] [4], Sweet About Me by Gabriella Cilmi [5] and Hole in the Head [6] working in one of the most succesful songwriting teams in the UK at that time, before that he was an integral member of a very influential cult UK band the KLF, he was also integral in writing the stand out track for the Waynes World movie, Feed My Frankenstein with Zodiac Mindwarp and Ian Richardson and Alice Cooper, and being a core member of Xenomania for over 9 years [7] leading to him co-writing multiple top 10 hits, all visible by their discography listings. I am also preparing a full discography for this individual, which should be posted up in the coming months as i find more info about him. I would also have to take issue with the original assertion for deletion that none of these references discuss this individual. If you click through and read the references, he is discussed directly in the cult book "The Manual" by Jimmy Cauty and Bill Drummond, of which i own a copy, this is quoted in the article with a reference to an online copy of the book. And discussed Directly in the bmg article also linked as a reference and the Xenomania members article linked. I have also added other direct articles which discuss him or mention his involvement. The aspersion cast on the producer of the year award is not really fair or informed in my opinion, as the eight person team referenced who won the producer of the year award was Xenomania, an extremely notable group of songwriters (as the bbc put it in their independent biography of the team they are "a Phil Spector" and "a Mowtown of the 21st century") the biography is linked in the entry. This team is/was comprised of producers and musicians of note all other members of which also have individual Articles on Wikipedia. Because Xenomania's contribution to music is definitely notable, i feel that the Xenomania article on Wikipedia would be incomplete without Nick Coler's article also being included and linked through being as he was an integral member of this team and taking into account his previous contributions to popular culture and music, which i also feel are noteworthy. --Tsebaoth —Preceding undated comment added 22:28, 10 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - If you guys can add solid references where he is discussed, I will have no objection and will in fact be eager to withdraw the nomination.---MJH (talk) 03:23, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment have added a reference to a q magazine article which he is discussed and a reference to a fanzine article on the xenomania fansite, will try to add more as i get the time to edit but hopefully thats enough to stop the page being deleted until i can spend more time on it, have also just added a new creditlist i found from albumcredits.com listing more than 180 credits on tracks for the artists listed on the page where he is noted as composer / producer / keybaords / vocals / orchestral arrangements etc. I will be following these up with the PRS database in the uk to verify their validity, but have no reason to suspect they are not correct as albumcredits is a reputable source for industry journalists. Also have a link in there to songlink international news site with an article about his signing recently to BMG berlin :) starting to get the hang of this now... --Tsebaoth — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.192.160 (talk) 20:43, 11 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:27, 14 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I have added multiple references this evening, to articles regarding his involvement in a Royal Festival Hall show held in 2011 for songwriters of note where he was feature with Graham Gouldman of 10cc and Rob Davis of Mud , a review discussing his production / collaboration involvement with saint etiennes new critically acclaimed album, links covering his ivor novello nominations, an article providing corroboration of the producer of the year award including one that shows him holding the award and accepting it with the other 4 xenomania core team members, also included is an article which talks of his production and writing of the single for the Lemmings computer game in the 90s, this reference also mentions his work as a member of the KLF and a biography of the band YA YA from Allmusic which references his involvement as a Noted Musician and the inclusion of the songs he created with them in the Revenge of the Nerds movie soundtrack.--Tsebaoth —Preceding undated comment added 02:48, 15 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 04:47, 16 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Significant achievements, not just with one band. 1292simon (talk) 00:55, 17 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Although it's a poorly-written article and the references are somewhat obscure, it does appear he is a notable songwriter. Deb (talk) 16:07, 18 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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