Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Middle-earth dwarf characters

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Middle-earth characters. Consensus is (still) divided between redirecting and deleting, but good points were made about preserving the incoming redirects. To avoid manual fixing and frustration, I'll close this as redirect and let the bots fix it. – sgeureka ^t•c 23:08, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Middle-earth dwarf characters

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We have several different lists of Middle-earth characters. As reflected by the AfD for List of Middle-earth Elves, there seems to be a consensus to delete auxiliary lists like this in favor of the central List of Middle-earth characters. BenKuykendall (talk) 04:56, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. BenKuykendall (talk) 04:56, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. BenKuykendall (talk) 04:56, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. BenKuykendall (talk) 04:56, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

• Redirect to List of Middle-earth characters per BenKuykendall. Goustien (talk) 06:11, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
• Delete This is way too much Tolkiencruft.John Pack Lambert (talk) 07:32, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
• Delete This list is a redundant content fork. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 11:30, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
• Keep It seems like every day I'm seeing Tolkien character Wikipedia articles getting deleted. Most of those AFDs I haven't objected too, as the characters genuinely don't seem worthy or notable enough for their own standalone articles. But it seems to me that lists like this one are the alternative to have dozens of non-notable standalone articles like that. I think lists like this should be encouraged for that reason, not deleted. — Hunter Kahn 14:15, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
• Redirect per nom, but there are several incoming links named for members of Thorin's Company, as only Thorin Oakenshield and Balin appear to have articles. Redirect the other members of Thorin's company (Bifur, Bofur, Bombur, et al.) to List of The Hobbit characters, where they are prominently mentioned. Hog Farm (talk) 15:52, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:301:4360:C05F:77B6:F943:FAE5 (talk) 16:31, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Only Gimli of the dwarves not mentioned in the Hobbit is worth having an article on, and so I support sending those other redirects to List of The Hobbit characters. If only there had been equal restriint with other articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:51, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
  • I imagine that only the members of Thorin's company and Dáin Ironfoot should be redirected to List of The Hobbit characters, as they're the only ones who are in that work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:301:4360:9DA6:9C0A:7E08:B7EB (talk) 21:10, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
    • No one else on the list is even remotely notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:19, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
• Keep/Redirect Hm, yes, we are getting very close to the limit of what should sensibly be deleted, and what should be kept to support navigation and provide "landing-sites" for likely searches: it seems that we basically agree that some lists of characters are reasonable, so the question is whether this should be one of those lists (i.e. several smaller lists or fewer bigger ones). I think we can sensibly lose this list, provided we keep List of The Hobbit characters and redirect each of its dwarves there. Gimli is a major character in Lord of the Rings and rightly has his own article. I'd have thought that Dain and Nain need to go somewhere, so they should be added to one or other of the surviving lists with redirects to their entries as John Pack Lambert suggests: that means that these lists can't be needlessly restricted to characters with articles - being decently cited to Tolkien should suffice. The alternative would be to keep a list of just the major dwarves here, cutting out the "noise" of sub-minor characters; either way, the redirects should point to brief descriptions.Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:21, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
• Delete per nom.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:28, 18 January 2020 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The dwarf list has a bit more support for redirecting than the orc list, so I'm relisting to get a clearer consensus for whether we should redirect or just delete.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 07:46, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

• Delete - Of this list, the dwarves appearing as main characters in The Hobbit, as well as Gimli (Middle Earth) are the only ones that can have any argument of notability. The rest of the information here is mostly just in-universe plot information on some very minor characters. And, all of those characters are already sufficiently covered in various other appropriate articles. There also does not appear to be any one place that would be appropriate to Redirect this to. That said, I would not be totally opposed to simply redirecting to List of Middle-earth characters, if only to preserve the history in case any of the non-primary sources being used would be useful to add elsewhere. Rorshacma (talk) 16:36, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
• Redirect to List of Middle-earth characters. That list could be enhanced by sorting by species. Clarityfiend (talk) 19:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
• Comment: What should be done with the list of redirects? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:241:301:4360:996D:D27F:ED55:E2FC (talk) 04:46, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

• @2601:241:301:4360:996D:D27F:ED55:E2FC: as mentioned by Hog Farm above, some of the redirects can be retargeted to List of The Hobbit characters. The remainder should be deleted, unless we had good targets in mind. BenKuykendall (talk) 05:26, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

• Delete. One list of notable ME characters is all we need.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:44, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.