Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Merry Miller

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. I appreciated the impassioned arguments of many arguing to keep the article, but the additional sources presented do not meet Wikipedia definition of non trivial coverage from independent reliable source. Beeblebrox (talk) 04:57, 11 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merry Miller

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Not notable. Can't find anything about her (amongst the other, more famous Merry Millers) that isn't just a gossipy put-down. Wenttomowameadow (talk) 00:13, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment these [1] appear to be about her, or at least quoting her, although they are behind paywalls and most appear to be reprints of a single AP or UPI story. Not sure they are non-trivial more than passing, but the Crain's New York Business one may be significant coverage. Active Banana (bananaphone 00:19, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think this is the full text of the Crain's piece (I might be mistaken). It just reads like an insider's puff-piece to me, but I am probably taking a more cynical view than others would. Wenttomowameadow (talk) 00:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I heard Merry speak at Baylor University and her bio as a business woman is legit. She built the Learning Annex, has released 15 albums and played professionally since age 14, owns GetInterns.com, GodsSocialNetwork.com, TeenChristianNetwork.com and I've seen her a number of times on Fox Business. She's also a Governor of the Recording Academy/Grammys.

Here are some articles: http://mycrains.crainsnewyork.com/40under40/profiles/2007/10025 It's a VERY legit list to make and she's on it for taking Learning Annex from $3 million to $100 million in less than 3 years. http://awarenessmogul.com/what-you-can-learn-from-harpist-merry-miller http://www.divatoolbox.com/diva-toolbox-radio-/2009/1732-diva-toolbox-interviews-merry-miller.html http://blogs.nbcsports.com/home/archives/2007/08/its-buzzness-time.html http://www.grammy365.com/chapters/texas-chapter http://www.harpmusictogo.com/ http://www.babymusictogo.com/merrymiller.php http://www.getinterns.com/about — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richsue (talk • contribs) 20:09, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

    • Comment - the foregoing, from a newly-created account with a single edit (here), is all excerpted from earlier versions of the article. JohnInDC (talk) 20:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment - Most of those are promotional sites managed by her or related to her. A lot of the rest appear to be puff pieces, probably arranged by her agent. The NBC Sports one is a blog post by one of her friends. Have a browse of Wikipedia:Notability and Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. Wenttomowameadow (talk) 20:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I picked one at random - http://www.divatoolbox.com/diva-toolbox-radio-/2009/1732-diva-toolbox-interviews-merry-miller.html That's an INTERVIEW? It SAYS it's an interview. No-one asks a question and she isn't quoted as saying anything at all. It's a pure plug for her CDs. It calls her "world renowned". Never having heard of her, I looked at the content given for the said CDs. I could instantly see why I'd never heard of her. Picked another http://www.grammy365.com/chapters/texas-chapter OK, she's a governor of a chapter of the Texas Chapter of The Recording Academy. There are 29 others too (and an Advisor called "John Tucker (a.k.a. Dr. Teeth)" - just thought you might like to know...). OK - try three. http://www.babymusictogo.com/merrymiller.php "Listen and Buy Now" it says near the top. Having said this, I do have an admiration for people who play the harp (especially someone I used to know who not only played and sang at the same time, but had even built the damn thing himself...) as I have never got nearer to qualifying for Heaven's Orchestra than the pocket zither and the 8 string lyre. This is currently a neutral comment - I'm reserving my !vote to see what happens. I must say I'm not happy about the apparent 'intervention' by someone claiming to be of the legal profession in the editing of the article. That never goes down well at Wikipedia. Oh, before I go - I found this on the diva-toolbox place under 'Submit An Article'. "Please consider submitting articles to the site both from a personal and professional level." And "Your articles should be the kind of advice and information you would share with your sister or best girlfriend across the kitchen table over a cup of tea or glass of wine. Your business experience can inspire and help other women business owners succeed. Sharing your personal experience will help another woman through a difficult time or give her a great idea." (Copied and pasted - and I hope it's counted as fair use to quote.) Peridon (talk) 21:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anyone with half a brain in business knows you don't make Crain's NY "40 Under 40" without having SUBSTANTIAL success in business. She did. And anyone in NYC knows the Learning Annex. Her albums have been all over TV, sold in stores, I've heard them on radio and I don't think anyone mature or legit would comment to her being a Governor of the Recording Academy with "big deal - there's 26 of them..." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Richsue (talk • contribs) 03:34, 3 February 2011 (UTC)— Richsue (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Then it shouldn't be difficult for you to show that she's notable with coverage in respected sources. Wenttomowameadow (talk) 14:48, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's quite obvious "Wenttomowameadow" that you're simply a 'hater'. But bravo that you don't watch TV or you would've seen her either playing harp or talking business. If you ever get invited to the Grammys go meet her, you might like her. She was surprisingly lovely when she spoke to our class. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.210.175 (talk) 19:34, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And again, please provide reliable third party sources to support your claims and we can all go home as the requirements for a stand alone article will have been met. Active Banana (bananaphone 19:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment She's a governor of the Texas Chapter of the Academy - not of the central body. One of 30 - I said 29 others - governors of a chapter of which there are more. Records - there's a lot of records that aren't notable. A load of collections of 'easy listening' that sell to people who don't really listen but just want a comforting sound there. Fair enough - I've nothing against people making these records so long as somebody buys them (and I don't have to listen to them...). I don't know if this is the category here - but the apparent contents suggests background 'easy listening' to me. Being all over TV simply means someone's plugging them. I don't watch TV either - but if I did I still wouldn't have seen her. "And anyone in NYC knows the Learning Annex." Is this the New York Wikipedia or the English language Wikipedia? I live in the UK and I don't know what it is. Notability is more than everyone in New York knowing something - it's coverage that proves it to us poor benighted heathens that wouldn't live in New York if you offered us the chance. (I wouldn't live in London, either, for the record.) Peridon (talk) 19:52, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I like you Peridon! She's most famous for baby music - LOTS of it. Then Classical (Gary Levinson of NY Philharmonic and Dallas Symphony) then easy listening. True Learning Annex isn't known around the world as many multimillion dollar companies are only known in their cities or country. But aside, she did run and help build it when it went from $3 million to over $100 million in less than three years, hence the Crain's 40 Under 40 and Elle magazine "intelligent" lists. As for TV, kudos to you for not watching! She covers business and music on Fox Business and Fox.com but her plays harp on lots of networks. Anyway, she gave our university class a nice handout with leads and contact info for jobs and took questions and answers on building brands for over 2 hours THEN took us 15 of us out to dinner with our professor! Beyond the call of a duty! Enjoy England!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.94.210.175 (talk) 04:38, 4 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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