Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Sonic the Hedgehog comic book characters

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Can be redirected at editorial discretion.  Sandstein  19:12, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

List of Sonic the Hedgehog comic book characters

List of Sonic the Hedgehog comic book characters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Above all else, this article is so hopelessly unsalvageable that the only solution is to blow it up and start over. WP:MOSFICT calls for a real-world perspective on fictional content. This list is 113,797 bytes long, and virtually all of it is from an "in-universe" perspective. There are also notability concerns. User:Sergecross73 noted in 2012 on the talk page that this list may fail WP:GNG. Per WP:LISTN, a list topic is notable if the elements have been discussed as a set by independent reliable sources. The article does not currently evidence this and a cursory Google search turns up only sources about the comic series as a whole--not on the characters specifically. Mz7 (talk) 22:11, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

• I'd also be open to redirecting the page. However, if it is to be redirected, the article should be deleted first, then redirected, to prevent the content from being recreated in the future. Mz7 (talk) 22:14, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
• Redirect and/or Delete - As mentioned above, I tried cleaning the article up back in 2012, but could only trim the garbage out, I couldn't find any sources to add. I tried to delete the article through a PROD, but it was challenged with an empty "sounds notable" type comment and then I just moved on to other things. Anyways, there's a serious lack of third party sources and out-of-universe content. I'd be okay with a redirect though because it could be made someday if a "retrospective" article or two were to be written someday. (It usually doesn't take a whole lot to justify a list of characters article. Sergecross73 msg me 23:05, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 04:44, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 04:44, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 04:44, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

• Redirect and/or Delete Given how big the Sonic franchise is, we can reasonably expect a list of characters article even if the characters w/o articles would fail the GNG. It's a reasonable thing to have. But the level of detail here for just one expanded-universe version would be far too much and would require the needed support of secondary sources to justify and I just don't see that happening. --MASEM (t) 05:48, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
• Redirect and/or Delete - completely agree with nomination and User:Sergecross73. Satellizer (´ ･ ω ･ `) 06:46, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

• Keep - I believe this page is salvageable, and agree with User:Masem points on notability. Significant clean-up is required, so the option to delete the page and start again is an attractive option, but probably not preferable to simply fixing the offending content. It would likely take more time and effort to create a new article than fix-up this existing article, and risks falling into the same problems that exist currently. A lot of the problems currently in this article appear to stem from a lack of usage of the Talk Page function, for example the page length could be significantly reduced if a consensus on what characters are significant enough to be mentioned was implemented.MegaMuffinMan (talk) 12:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

I can concede to the notability - as Sergecross mentions, notability of an independent character list is not that difficult to establish. However, the problem isn't the length of this page. While cleanup is generally preferable to deletion when there is a portion of fixable content, the problem here is that the entire page falls under the category of "offending content", because each description is only an in-universe description of each character, with little regards to real world production and impact. To make this list encyclopedic and conforming to WP:MOSFICT, the entire article would have to be rewritten from scratch. Mz7 (talk) 16:02, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

• Redirect and/or Delete per mostly everyone above. →Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 03:31, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.