Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Donkey Kong characters (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. While there is a consensus to keep the list, there is also a clear consensus that it needs to be pared back aggressively and supplemented with better sourcing. A Train^talk 09:37, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

List of Donkey Kong characters

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• Articles for deletion/List of Donkey Kong characters
• Articles for deletion/List of Donkey Kong characters (2nd nomination)

List of Donkey Kong characters (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)

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Massive, in-universe list that has a whopping total of nine sources (five of which are primary, and two that look unreliable). I PROD'd the article but it was contested since it's been nominated before, so here we are. JOEBRO64 19:37, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Video games-related deletion discussions. JOEBRO64 19:39, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:41, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 19:41, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

• Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2017 October 31. —^{cyberbot I}_{Talk to my owner:Online} 19:52, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
• Delete Seems to violate WP:NOTPLOT as entirely plot summary with no IRL significance indicated. The former keep rationale 10 years ago doesn't correspond to Wikipedia's current standards._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 19:55, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
• redirect Looks like much of it is original research. You can list the character in the main donkey kong article. AGrandeFan (talk) 22:26, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
• Redirect - per nom. Prior deletion discussion from 2007 that ended in keep is an embarrassment to Wikipedia policy. Sergecross73 msg me 22:57, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
• Keep A once notable game franchise, once notable always notable, like movies and books. --RAN (talk) 23:36, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
  • That doesn't really address why it shouldn't be deleted. You're merely saying WP:ILIKEIT. JOEBRO64 23:39, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
    • Nope, he is saying WP:ITSNOTABLE - about as bad of an argument, but we should be precise :) --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:34, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
  • Yes, that's the sort of nonsense that tarnished the prior AFD. Sergecross73 msg me 00:25, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
• Weak keep. The franchise is notable, and I would be surprised if we couldn't find better sources for list of its characters. It is unlikely there are hoaxes here. Notability is indeed a concern, but those type of lists are usually both prolific and poorly sourced (not an excuse), and I think they should be tackled not one by one with random results but instead through a bigger, RfC-like discussion about referencing/notability standards for them. For now I'd prefer we prune it (remove unreferenced content per WP:V) and leave it shortened or merge to the main article or another list instead (ex. List of Mario franchise characters, Wario_(franchise)#WarioWare_characters). Or just stick a bunch of cite needed tags on it for now. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:34, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
• Comment: While I have no strong opinion either way, if the result is to delete please merge the character names and whatever relevant sourced material there is into a smaller list on Donkey Kong as was done with List of Wario characters. As there is no basic character listing on this page some of this info would be useful there. - Vanstrat ⁽⁽🗼⁾⁾ 16:19, 1 November 2017 (UTC)
• Redirect. Another example of trivial game information. Suitable for a wiki, not Wikipedia. Nothing wrong with a small, sourced section on the main article, instead of a huge list of unsourced and in-universe retelling of the plot. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 12:43, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

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• Keep and improve per the GNews results for two of the characters, above. If multiple characters get multiple RS coverage, (that is, multiple elements meet GNG) then yes, we ought to have a list of this. The OR and in-universe should be trimmed, development and reception added, and plenty of other improvements... but that's all fixable through regular editing, so deletion is not indicated. Jclemens (talk) 02:39, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
• Merge the single-game characters, where sourced, to their specific games. Merge summaries of the characters with separate articles to the parent article at Donkey Kong. If there is anything remaining which is sourced, it could reasonably be included there also until such time as notability is demonstrated for the group as a whole. The unsourced cruft should go, regardless. --Izno (talk) 20:38, 6 November 2017 (UTC)
• Keep and prune per Piotrus. I'm not familiar with the DK series. but there are recurring characters throughout the franchise that would be better covered on one list page. Any individual entries specific to one game should be merged there though per Izno. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:21, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
• Keep. Lists like this for series that have extensive casts are logical and appropriate WP:SPINOUTs. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:07, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
  • But that doesn't address the unsourced, trivial, and in-universe issues this article faces. It's honestly a shame that this will likely be kept. JOEBRO64 00:25, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
• Keep - this reminds me of the AfD for Holography in fiction, for which I voted keep, was closed as no consensus and the close is being reviewed in a deletion review.[[1]] This is a compilation of material that follows a common theme, and in this case even links some parts to to other articles. What I would like to see is better organization, and alphabetization so the list is more user friendly for someone looking for a specific character. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 00:49, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
• Weak Keep there's a lot of crap here, and splitting the list up may be necessary. A valid WP:SAL of this name could probably be created so the !vote is keep, but merging this to half-a-dozen pages on specific games would also be reasonable (if anyone wants to do that work). The redirect should be to Donkey Kong#Characters if such a merge happens, though no content should be merged to that page. power~enwiki (π, ν) 05:27, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

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