Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Doctor Who items (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:37, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

List of Doctor Who items

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List of Doctor Who items (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log | edits since nomination)

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Does not have WP:SIGCOV in reliable independent sources. An WP:INDISCRIMINATE list of objects from a television program, such as "Celery". A lot of this is WP:OR, both in the content, and the arbitrary way in which non-notable objects are selected for inclusion. Jontesta (talk) 23:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Jontesta (talk) 23:17, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

Retarget items in the list and Delete list.

-Celery to Fifth Doctor

-Chameleon Circuit to TARDIS

-Hand of Omega to Remembrance of the Daleks

-A Journal of Impossible Things to Human Nature (Doctor Who)

-Key to Time to Doctor Who season 16

-Matrix to Gallifrey

-Delete severed hand due to lack of discernible name that can differentiate it from the concept of a severed hand

-Delete Squareness Gun due to being non-notable and lacking a redirect target (Maybe Jack Harkness?)

-Sonic Screwdriver has an article already

-Superphone lacks a redirect and not really an important concept, delete

-TARDIS has an article

-Time Scoop to The Five Doctors

Only objects I'm iffy on are Eye of Harmony, Psychic Paper, and Vortex Manipulator due to all three being important recurring elements in the series that lack a viable redirect. Maybe The Doctor (Doctor Who) for Psychic Paper, Gallifrey for Eye of Harmony, and Jack Harkness for Vortex Manipulator? I'm not sure.

Either way, this list is, per nom, very CRUFTy, and I've honestly been meaning to getting rid of it myself. I will note per nom that most of these objects are at least the recurring (Meaning they're not really "non-notable") but there definitely is a lack of inclusion criteria and not much showcasing the list needs to be a separate thing from the other viable redirect targets for most if not all of the entities. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 23:28, 4 July 2024 (UTC)

I WP:BOLDLY edited the redirects based on these suggestions. Other editors can edit them further if they so choose. I support deletion, as the nominator. Jontesta (talk) 04:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Lists, and United Kingdom. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:42, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:48, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment Proposal of Pokelego999 looks good. Srijanx22 (talk) 06:50, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete There is no discussion in the article about why the items as a group are notable. It is an indiscriminate list. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:22, 6 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per Zxcvbnm. The list is WP:INDISCRIMINATE, and the redirects can be pointed to new targets per Pokelego999. Shooterwalker (talk) 00:51, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as a merge target of multiple NN other articles. The topic of the list is 'Doctor Who' not 'Doctor Who Items' so the topic is clearly notable, even though many of the individual elements are clearly not, which per WP:CSC is a textbook application: These lists are created explicitly because most or all of the listed items do not warrant independent articles. Jclemens (talk) 06:26, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

  Even so, the subjects must be described as a group in order to determine the notability of this deviation, as well as the fact that the list must not fall afoul of INDISCRIMINATE, among many other reasons. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:38, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per Zxcvbnm - The couple of notable entries in this list already have their own individual articles, and the remainder are non-notable topics that are either poorly sourced or have no sources at all outside of Dr. Who itself. The overall topic of Dr. Who being notable does not mean that lists of random, vaguely related topics can't also fall under being WP:INDISCRIMINATE. I have no objection to individual redirects being created, as suggested by Pokelego999. Rorshacma (talk) 16:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as WP:INDISCRIMINATE and redirect incoming per Pokelego999. This fails WP:LISTN as the topic of the article, despite assertions above, is actually "Doctor Who Items" as notability is not WP:NOTINHERITED. We are not a random collection of fictional minutia. This is particulaly true for lists of fictional items (e.g. Torchwood items, Once Upon a Time items, Metroid items, W.I.T.C.H. items, Harry Potter spells, Space: 1999 weapons, etc., etc.). The question that should be asked is has the group "Items in Doctor Who" been treated as a group in high quality RSs, to which I think the answer is no.Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 20:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Completely violates WP:INDISCRIMINATE, with no indication for importance. Let'srun (talk) 19:04, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting this discussion. I have no idea what this proposal is asking a closer to do ("retarget"?). Is it an argument to Keep this article? I'm not concerned with items on this list, I need to know what should happen to this specific article, in its totality. It's Keep, Delete, Redirect, Merge or Draftify, those are your options from a closer's point of view.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:11, 11 July 2024 (UTC)

@Liz In this case, those arguing delete/retarget is asking for the closer to delete the article, I believe, while the redirects are sorted out individually on the editor side of things, though to any editors who voted Delete and disagree, feel free to speak your minds. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 02:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

• Correct - I am arguing to Delete this list outright. But, if someone wanted to, separate from the closing of this AFD, create a Redirect from Chameleon Circuit to Tardis, etc., then I would have no problem with that. Rorshacma (talk) 14:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

  Once the article is deleted/redirects, any other redirects can be edited / retargeted / recreated as needed. Jontesta (talk) 04:40, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per WP:TNT. The article is a complete mess as far as selection criteria goes; most of the entries are described elsewhere. Some of the redirects targeting this page should be kept and re-targeted to other pages (generally the episode(s) the item appeared in); I think that is what the "retarget" votes refer to. Walsh90210 (talk) 17:06, 16 July 2024 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.