Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lewis Page

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Consensus to delete. The consensus is that at this point in time the player does not meet our notability inclusion criteria. If this changes in the future the article can be recreated. Chillum 17:50, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Lewis Page

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Playing against a semi-pro team does pass NFOOTBALL. JMHamo (talk) 19:21, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. JMHamo (talk) 19:22, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

• Keep has made his professional debut representing a fully pro team in UEFA affiliated European competition. Arials101 (talk) 19:30, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

• Comment - Playing against a semi-pro team in the Europa League first round qualifying does not pass WP:NFOOTBALL JMHamo (talk) 19:45, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

• Comment: if this fails the guidelines, delete it, I can't argue with the rules. However, the rules should also apply to Reece Oxford, who debuted in the same match. This made him WHUFC's youngest player, but again that's just a club record and the opponent fails notability. '''tAD''' (talk) 20:25, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

• @The Almightey Drill: Reece Oxford passes WP:GNG for being the youngest player to represent West Ham at 16! JMHamo (talk) 20:28, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

• I accept that, but at this early stage, the "General Notability" for that fact is only sourced from Sports Mole and West Ham's own website. Such coverage could also be expected for the youngest player at (insert League Two team here) if he made his debut against a Conference team in the cup. '''tAD''' (talk)

• Keep Page has played his first game in a professional tournament that is the Europa League. Kieran167 (talk) 10:28, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
• Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. A case of WP:TOOSOON, article can be recreated if / when he plays and passes a notability guideline. Keep votes above citing that he has played in a professional competition are misguided. NFOOTY only specifically refers to FULLY professional league on the WP:FPL listing. The Europa League is not on this because it is neither a true league competition, nor is it fully professional. There is however some consensus the individuals who compete in this competition (as a top professional continental competition) are generally notable if they have played in the competition proper in a match between two teams from FPLs. In this case the player has neither played in the competition proper yet, nor featured in a game between two teams from an FPL (Andorra is not fully professional). Fenix down (talk) 09:51, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
• Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. The Europa League is not a "professional tournament" given the significant number of semi-pro/amateur clubs which compete. GiantSnowman 17:16, 3 July 2015 (UTC)
• Delete - hard to make a case for notability for Page. Debut in a first qualifying round against a semi-pro team from Andorra, West Ham development team player and nothing else to pass GNG.--Egghead06 (talk) 06:39, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:47, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:47, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

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• Keep- As of now according to Wikipedia rules the player qualifies to have a Wikipedia page after he makes debut in any competitive match no matter against a semi-pro team. He surely did in the Europa league so I think this page should be kept. And according to Wikipedia:Notability (sports), he passes as he has played in the fully professional league. NextGenSam619^t@lk 03:14, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

• Comment: The Europa League is not a league, it's a cup competition and most definitely at the qualifying stages when clubs from the likes of San Marino, Andorra and Gibraltar enter, not competed for by fully-pro players from fully-pro sides in fully-pro leagues.--Egghead06 (talk) 04:50, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
• Comment: @Egghead06 Yes. Well if a player plays once in the English League Cup, he then passes the criteria and is a allowed a Wikipedia page. The Europa League is a knockout tournament similar to the League Cup. Page hasn't just played a friendly or a reserve match, he has played for the first team in a important match in an professional tournament. Should be kept. --Kieran167 (talk) 20:40, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

• Comment This is not the current consensus. A league cup game would be a game between two teams from fully professional leagues in competition proper. This player has played in the first qualifying round of a competition in a game where one of the teams was not from a fully professional league. Fenix down (talk) 19:52, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

• SALT Well seeing the different views of different editors I think this page should be salted so that when he makes his debut in the professional league it does not have to be recreated. NextGenSam619^t@lk 02:04, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

• That doesn't make any sense at all. salting refers to putting a block on an article being created. "Salt an article now so that it doesn't have to be re-created later" doesn't make sense.............. -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:19, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

• Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Since his Europa League appearance was in qualifying this does not confer notability either. Sir Sputnik (talk) 18:23, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

• Delete - Not notable. Ashbeckjonathan (talk) 00:43, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
• Delete - Not yet notable.Pincrete (talk) 16:34, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

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