Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jun Kazama

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge‎ to List of Tekken characters#Jun Kazama/Unknown. czar 00:49, 24 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Jun Kazama

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Jun Kazama sources appears to be like this [1], due to fans demand. But, that's it. Failing WP:SIGCOV. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 22:43, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Removed. Good heavens, talk about scraping the bottom of the barrel and then some. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 08:03, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose With the reveal of Tekken 8, Jun suddenly became surprisingly popular for returning to the series canonically. I noticed there were several articles where she was the big highlight of the writers and how it was reflected on the Tekken fanbase, so I added them to reception. It also helps that most of the other sources discuss how popular Jun is in general to the point that ex-Capcom developer Yoshinori Ono discusses her popularity.Tintor2 (talk) 15:51, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge and my position on this is strengthened by the sources that Tintor2 just added. A mass of routine trailer coverage that barely says anything about the character was added, if that's the best that could be found.... Pushsquare's commentary amounted to "looks pretty damn cool", and none of the rest were much better. Disclosure, Tintor mentioned trying to save this article on Discord, and I ended up here after reviewing. -- ferret (talk) 19:17, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: I was debating on this one for a while. But with the coverage Tintor2 added, I see some decent discussion here. Jun has coverage from CBR that can also be used. Plus, Jun is only now making her grand return in the mainline Tekken series with Tekken 8, so maybe she'll get even more coverage in the coming months? Also, the article is not only covering Jun, but also her alter-ego Unknown. Could Unknown have anything as well? I'll have to look. MoonJet (talk) 03:29, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Then that case will be WP:TOOSOON + CBR is not used for notability since its a weak source. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 03:48, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Current consensus seems to be the CBR can be used for notability, which notes that only listicles from there don't count towards notability. As for WP:TOOSOON, that's more of a case for something that doesn't have the coverage yet. What I was arguing it that maybe she'll get even more coverage. MoonJet (talk) 04:00, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Umm, no. Not only listicles. But that's just your opinion. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 04:26, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The actual discussion on the site linked to does mention "Content", not just listicles. I tend to agree. The article in question discussing her, like most of their output, is mostly (parrot a bunch of lore) "Wow, this could be big!" without saying much of substance, to the point it could be written by AI and nobody would notice. While it should be citeable for information, it shouldn't be indicative the character is important. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 05:53, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It appears cbr is not that useful as a source. I have used listicles before but reworded like "This character stands out for his sex appeal" but in depth analysys are harder to obtain.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Tintor2 (talk • contribs) 13:33, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This is just another routine trailer coverage just like Pushsquare's commentary "looks pretty damn cool" + Meristation is not reliable nor is situational. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 22:40, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Meristation is indeed reliable, see WP:VG/S and use CTRL+F.
Not SIGCOV tho, just a press release regurgitation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:00, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oopsie, wasn't familiar with that I guess. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 09:49, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The initial trend towards merge was replaced by a trend towards keeping, but there doesn't appear to be a consensus either way at this point; further discussion would be helpful in determining a consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Aoidh (talk) 07:44, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Merge with List of Tekken characters: I see a lot of sources thrown around here, but very few of them appear to be actually about the character, generally constituting brief mentions, entries in lists of characters, or "character announced as playable/may be playable" with little substance to the commentary on the character. The few that are about the character seem to constitute a reiteration of game plot and little else.
    There is no evidence of cultural impact or coverage of the character's real world creation. The "Design and gameplay" section boils down to a bloated but ultimately pedestrian video game manual description of the character's physical attributes, personal history, and combat abilities. The "Reception" section is a lot of fluff that amounts to "a lot of people sure do enjoy playing as this character in the video game". The "Unknown" section is simply pure GAMECRUFT.
    All in all, I see no justification for this as a standalone Wikipedia article, and no reason why it can't be cut down and merged. silvia (BlankpopsiclesilviaASHs4) (inquire within) 15:01, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to the character list.Tintor2 (talk) 19:26, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to the Tekken character list. Her design section is overlong and I second that the "Unknown" section is all cruft. Game appearances section is adequate and can easily be condensed into the character list. The only reception content of any relevance may be the Common Sense mention, while the rest are pedestrian rankings and people wishing she was playable (I loved the irony of all the fan requests for her inclusion in TTT2 and then her only being the 21st-most used character in the game), which might have met SIGCOV requirements long ago but not now as VG notability evolves. A fairly easy call. sixtynine • whaddya want? • 23:15, 20 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Unfortunately, finding coverage for Unknown is extremely difficult, since the searches think you're referring to the actual word "unknown." Even if you try adding "Tekken" or "Tekken Tag Tournament" in your search. I've been looking pretty hard. MoonJet (talk) 11:12, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to the character list, per WP:PRESERVE. Shooterwalker (talk) 21:58, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge. I looked at sources, and the best we have are few paragraphs here and here (feel free to ping me and point out better sources). Despite mentioning the character in their titles, they are both short and I don't think they even meet WP:SIGCOV here; they contain just a few factoids and zero analysis of the character's importance outside the game. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:59, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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