Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Joshua N. Haldeman

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The result was keep‎. It's snowing. (non-admin closure) LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 22:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Joshua N. Haldeman

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Article has issues with neutrality (seems angled toward showing that the person is less anti-Semitic than sources suggest), is fluffed with unnecessary information, and it seems this person is not sufficiently notable, with the main thing being Elon Musk's grandfather. Calling neurocalometers "a then-controversial expensive device" also seems skewed. Foxsake92 (talk) 22:32, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Keep as creator. Welcome to Wikipedia! It's very unusual for a user's first edits to be an AFD, but that's totally okay!! Do you have suggestions for how we could improve the neutrality? In response to your concerns, neurocalometer sentence has been reworded with attribution rather than wikivoice. As far as Notability goes, Haldeman was famous in his own time for his roles in chiropractic and politics, not because of his descendants -- Notablity is not inherited and the article text never actually mentions Haldeman's grandson, whose life didn't really overlap much with Haldeman's. Feoffer (talk) 02:23, 28 June 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians, Archaeology, Medicine, Aviation, South Africa, Canada, and Minnesota. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:14, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: This source seems to be a good place to start. Curbon7 (talk) 00:06, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep and improve. Coverage on [[[1]]]], [[[2]]], [[[3]]], [[[4]]], suggests the subject is notable enough. Prof.PMarini (talk) 00:54, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. The article currently cites these sources which each cover Haldeman directly:
  • A New Life for Haldeman. 1951. Leader-Post.
  • Joshua N Haldeman, DC: the Canadian Years, 1926-1950. 1995. J Can Chiropr Assoc.
  • Elon Musk’s Anti-Semitic, Apartheid-Loving Grandfather. 2023. The Atlantic.
  • The World According to Elon Musk’s Grandfather. 2023. The New Yorker.

And the other language versions also cite in-depth coverage from CBC News and Business Insider[5]. There are also: [6][7][8][9]. Foxsake92, do you think this meets the criteria at either at Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline (WP:GNG) or Wikipedia:Notability (people) (WP:BIO)? "issues with neutrality" can be handled at the article and its talk page. Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 03:20, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

The first was written by the subject himself and the second by his son; they're not independent. – Joe (talk) 09:47, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per sources indicated above. Four SIGCOV sources were provided by User:Rjjiii. Even if two are not independent, there are still multiple sources to support notability (and additional sources to support data). Hence Haldeman, already, meets the GNG bar. There are, however, more valid sources than the two that are needed. Plus absolutely no BLP concern, as Haldeman died more than 50 years ago. WP:SNOW also applies. gidonb (talk) 17:16, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.