Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Adames

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to 1st Golden Raspberry Awards. Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:05, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

John Adames

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No evidence this actor passes WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. Adames is a WP:BLP1E for his Razzie award. The article's earlier assertion (removed by me) that he is the youngest person to receive a Razzie is WP:ORIGINALRESEARCH based on WP:SYNTH (none of the sources actually state that he was the youngest). There's no other claim to fame or notability; inclusion in other sources is limited to WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. There was a stable redirect to Gloria (1980 film) until recently; I would be OK with restoring the redirect per consensus or outright deleting. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:32, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Looking at the rules you were right to remove the “youngest winner” assertion… thanks for pointing that out. As for the article I figured winning a Razzie, especially one of the first ever, qualified as a “significant event”. Kind of like how we have many stub articles for everyone who ever competed at the Olympics. So that was why I made it at the time JSwift49 01:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Here's my thinking: Under WP:NBIO, "The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor" is a criterion -- but the Razzies are really a tongue-in-cheek anti-honor. Most people who win them are already separately notable under WP:GNG, WP:NBIO, or WP:NENTERTAINER, but for those who aren't independently notable I don't think being recognized for being bad at something should qualify as "a significant award or honor." And so all the news coverage for this guy then falls under WP:BLP1E and should be covered at the movie's page, not as a standalone page. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As for the Olympian stubs, WP:NSPORT is its own separate thing, but at least all of them are being recognized for being good athletes.  :) Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Could being generally recognized for being bad be, as the criteria says, “interesting or unusual”, if not an honor :) If we had a source specifically confirming that Adams was the youngest recipient I would definitely advocate for the article to stay, as that’s an additional notability; the Razzies had a controversy recently for nominating children. But since we don’t have that source yet, I’m not too concerned either way. JSwift49 16:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I found a dedicated article about Adames' performance written in 2017, in case that matters. JSwift49 13:21, 16 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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