Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeff Dieschburg

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 09:04, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Jeff Dieschburg

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I am failing to find indication that this painter meets WP:NARTIST nor WP:GNG. The coverage is not significant, and mostly what he is known for is a case of possible plagiarization of another artist's work on social media. I'm not finding a track record of notable exhibitions, reviews or permanent collections in notable museums that we would normally find. Perhaps it is TOOSOON. Netherzone (talk) 02:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Weak Keep. There are sources (as pointed out by the keep voters), but only about the copyright infringement controversy so far. Brachy08 _(Talk) 02:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

Side note: For new users participating, this is NOT a vote. Brachy08 _(Talk) 02:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Visual arts and Luxembourg. Netherzone (talk) 02:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists and Law. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:37, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Dieschburg is pretty known in Luxembourg for his skills in oil painting, a craft that he honed since being a little child (shown in a news coverage available on Youtube). It drew attention fast and a quarrel, often in public, between him and contemporary and avant-garde artists started.

His works featured in newspapers, publications, and catalogues. The whole copyright law case only came later and went viral in social media because of misinformation, racism and sexism allegations against the painter, regarding his work Turandot. The enormous amount of hate he received led him to close his social media (as stated by RTL). It is true that most Internet searches point to the court case, however he won it.

I think the page about him contains good information and I don´t see why it should be deleted. He is young, the page will probably grow within the next years. JdAlembert (talk) 11:33, 18 January 2024 (UTC) — JdAlembert (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Delete The article's references are largely trivial mentions, often one or two sentences[1] or even less,[2] with at least one reference that doesn't even include this person's name a single time.[3] Despite unsupported claims like "pretty known in Luxembourg" and "vastly discussed in social media," there is no sign that a single event of an art student getting caught copying from other's work is an event of encyclopedic notability, let alone one that would make the student themself meet the notability guidelines of WP:NARTIST or WP:GNG. Elspea756 (talk) 15:37, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: There's coverage of the copyright case [4], [5], appears to have some lasting effect. Oaktree b (talk) 15:42, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Article also contains a copyvio of one of his paintings, perhaps ironically. Oaktree b (talk) 15:47, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: Dieschburg is a known artist in Luxembourg because he is the only one in the country who really wants to paint like the masters from centuries ago. He is still very young and his art undeniably draws attention . As someone already pointed out, he is not appreciated by everyone, especially the more contemporary school of thought in art reject him. However that is no reason to ignore him. There absolutely is information around him, not only in the context of the copyright case (that he won). The Luxembourgish Doctor of Law, author and philosopher Gaston Vogel said Dieschburg was very important painter for Luxembourg. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JangdeBlannen (talk • contribs) 17:46, 18 January 2024 (UTC) — JangdeBlannen (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Would appreciate further discussion from established editors.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:41, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Comment - There have been two SPAs participating, and four attempts by sockpuppets impersonating an admin to prematurely close. I'll see if there is another delete-sort category that makes sense. Netherzone (talk) 15:40, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Arts and Singapore. Netherzone (talk) 15:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Delete the article as the article of the plaintiff in the plagiarism case could be added to https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_copyright_case_law as a case of copyright law of interest.

Sfar13 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 21:04, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Even discounting SPAs, there's some split input.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 20:17, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I have put together a source assesment table of every source in the article, showing that this does not meet WP:GNG or WP:ARTIST. The copyright infringement case is a very minor WP:ONEEVENT with no historical impact. If there were an article about Luxembourg copyright law, this may be of slight interest as maybe a single sentence there about the threshold for photographs to be covered, but there is not significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources to support an entire article on this individual art student. Elspea756 (talk) 17:27, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Source assessment table: prepared by User:Elspea756
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://www.luxtimes.lu/yourluxembourg/luxembourgguide/grand-duchess-who-triggered-monarchy-vote-died-100-years-ago/7327218.html			A single sentence photo caption.	✘ No
https://www.zlv.lu/db/1/1453151325116			Three sentences in an article about a student group show.	✘ No
https://books.google.com/books?id=4qGtEAAAQBAJ&q=Dieschburg#v=snippet&q=Dieschburg&f=false			Less than a sentence.	✘ No
https://www.luxtimes.lu/culture/thought-provoking-art-stuns-at-strassen-exhibition/1338711.html			Two sentences in an article about a group show.	✘ No
https://www.saatchiart.com/art/Painting-Cherry-blossom-L-une-82/389236/4763659/view		Saatchi_Art is an "e-commerce platform and online art gallery" that anyone can post on.	No coverage at all. This page does not use the first or last names of this art student a single time.	✘ No
https://www.mynewsdesk.com/sg/pitchmark/news/litigation-update-photographer-jingna-zhang-loses-plagiarism-case-against-luxembourg-student-artist-who-ripped-off-her-work-459131			Three sentences about this art student. Majority of article is about whether a photograph was covered by Luxembourg copyright law. From Dec. 16, 2022, WP:ONEEVENT of copyright infringement case.	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCThNlVq-AI	Titled "Interview with art student ..." so this is not independent from the subject's own viewpoint.	? Interviews are generally not reliable sources	? June 21, 2022 video about WP:ONEEVENT of copyright infringement case.	✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik2E4BvhbZM	Titled "Interview with art student ... and his lawyer" so this is not independent from the subject's own viewpoint.	? Interviews are generally not reliable sources	? June 7, 2022 video about WP:ONEEVENT of copyright infringement case.	✘ No
https://www.lessentiel.lu/de/story/jeff-dieschburg-kaempft-mit-anfeindungen-auf-social-media-175886478340			Five sentences about the art student getting negative reactions on Twitter. From Dec. 14, 2022, WP:ONEEVENT of copyright infringement case.	✘ No
https://guykaiser.lu/ass-de-jeff-dieschburg-senges-liewens-net-mei-secher-himmelschreiend-sauerei-seet-de-gaston-vogel/		An individual's self-published opinion blog. No editorial oversight.		✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

• Delete - Strongly appears to be a WP:ONEEVENT situation without sufficient general notability for an independent page, as supported by the table prepared by Elspea756 (talk · contribs) and a search for sources in the usual WP:BEFORE locations. There could be sources in Luxembourgish (which I don't speak), however I doubt they would meet the criteria of WP:ARTIST. Shazback (talk) 19:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
• Delete WP:TOOSOON. Thanks for the source assessment table. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 02:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

  Delete per source assessment table. Okoslavia (talk) 07:01, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.