Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Executions and assassinations in the West Bank and Jerusalem

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Seeing as not being ready for mainspace was not an issue brought up by anyone supporting deletion, it is unclear how draftifying would be an appropriate outcome. ✗plicit 14:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Executions and assassinations in the West Bank and Jerusalem

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the whole article is OR and synth. it starts with Jesus, who is reffered here as "King of Martyrs", then goes to Eichmann, then to Jewish and Palestinian terrorr attacks. The whole article is cherry-picking, and the implied comparison of Jesus, Eichmann, and "The Martyr Abu Ali Mustafa" (sic!) is OR. There are enough articles on the subject (List of Israeli assassinations, List of Palestinian suicide attacks, etc) and there is no need for another synth one.

and it completely fails NPOV : "An eye for an eye", "King of Martyrs", "he refused to commit sin unto the point of shedding blood", "The Martyr Abu Ali Mustafa", "prominent militant", etc Artem.G (talk) 13:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History, Military, Israel, and Palestine. Artem.G (talk) 13:38, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete One-sided (fails WP:NPOV) and WP:RECENTISM The Banner talk 14:18, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

  How is it recentism? The events in order of apearance are: 1st century AD, 1948, 1962, 1946, 1956, 2001 (two connected events), 2022 (two connected events), 2023 (two connected events), 2024 (none). The first one is maybe out of place, with a big gap, but it seemed weird to leave it out? MWQs (talk) 00:47, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

It's not weird to leave it out, it doesn't really fit and you got the "implied comparison" and offense at the language type stuff. Edit add: I think the request was insulting to you. Sammy D III (talk) 04:29, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

@Sammy D III Ok. I'll delete that one then. Including and excluding both seem weird, so one opinion is enough to be a deciding factor. MWQs (talk) 04:44, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Which request was insulting to who? MWQs (talk) 04:45, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

First, I am a "Delete" four below this. I don't mean to double-comment. I'm also commenting on the article before you messed with it, it's pretty bad form to change during a discussion. Very bad form.

"the whole article is OR and synth" yet none of either are shown. "it starts with Jesus", which is chronically correct. That section seemed respectful to him and the Catholics. "the implied comparison of Jesus, Eichmann, and" (my italics) is quite a stretch, to put it mildly. Jesus may have been wrong to use, but Eichmann is absolutely necessary. I agree that "There are enough articles" but "another synth one" is a cheap shot. I agree that "it completely fails NPOV" but I believe that is probably your writing, not a political position.

It seems that you have problems outside, maybe that is leaking in, but I AGF you here. I'm still Delete, though. Sammy D III (talk) 06:56, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Full of synth, already covered in the many other articles on this topic. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 16:13, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

  What is the synth? It's just "thing in place". Albeit rather fuzzily defined thing and place, I'd move it back to draft space or user space if that was allowed. The scope is a bit messy, MWQs (talk) 04:54, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete This article is quite unnecessary and the title errs geographically in addition to the other problems. Selfstudier (talk) 17:36, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, and possibly refer MWQs to WP:AE for disruptive editing in the Israel-Palestine topic area. Walsh90210 (talk) 23:48, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as unnecessary, every section has a "Main article" or "See also". I don't see that NPOV or OR problems are clear. I do see NPOV problems but I don't see them as deliberately pushing a position. The editor is interesting but I'm commenting on what's here. Sammy D III (talk) 02:00, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per all above. gidonb (talk) 03:40, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: This article seems repetitive and leans heavily towards one perspective. The information it covers is already well-established in other articles. Waqar💬 16:13, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. This is not a content fork of List of Israeli assassinations because it covers different events. But it is arguably a WP:COATRACK if one considers it as a regular page. Even the title ("Executions and assassinations") indicates this is a WP:COATRACK. This could be a list page, but the criteria for inclusion are not clear. At the very least, the criteria should be defined and the page fixed. My very best wishes (talk) 16:31, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

  Yes. Assassination of Rehavam Ze'evi isn't on List of Israeli assassinations, because that was the other side. And there's obviously zero overlap with List of Palestinian suicide attacks, they're not executions or assassinations at all. MWQs (talk) 00:40, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

• Move it to draft space please - I was attempting to fill the gap formed by Capital punishment in Israel and Capital punishment in the Gaza Strip, but there's not enough information available to make a full page on people sentenced to death in a court in the West Bank, so the scope got very poorly defined. MWQs (talk) 01:11, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Am I allowed to move things to draft space myself if someone nominates one of my articles and I agree it's not ready for mainspace? MWQs (talk) 01:12, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Not while an AfD is ongoing, no; for the same reason pages shouldn't be moved at all during AfDs. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 01:15, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

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