Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/European Union member states at the 2004 Summer Olympics

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No Consensus, article kept. ~~ N (t/c) 16:12, 5 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

European Union member states at the 2004 Summer Olympics

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I have already added "member states" to the title. The EU did not compete at the 2004 Summer Olympics, and this is only such article for an entity which did not compete. The only reason to create this was to support the idea that it should do so, which is a propaganda aim which cannot be made neutral through the phrasing of the article. For non-propaganda purposes this article is of no more relevance than Countries beginning with the letter G at the 2004 Summer Olympics, and much less relevance than Europe at the 2004 Summer Olympics or Africa at the 2004 Summer Olympics. Before voting, please consider whether you would support such articles for NAFTA, ASEAN, or such entities in your part of the world. Delete Osomec 19:05, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Wikipedia is not a fantasy league. And Canada would sweep the Commonwealth Winter Games if there were such an event, but there isn't. Ground Zero | t 19:30, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The simple listing of member states is not particularly useful and redundant with (presumably) many other articles. The interpretation required to reach the first bullet point of conclusions is fairly minimal, but relies on assumptions like each athlete still training in the same way, still being funded etc etc. The second bullet is pure speculation. Thus, all the non-repetitive material in the article is original research, and should go per WP:NOR. -Splash 22:05, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep - For no more reason than I think it's quite interesting. Comparing it to a fictional article entitled Countries beginning with the letter G at the 2004 Summer Olympics is silly, IMO. if the Countries beginning with the letter G had a parliament and were politically related, I could see your point. Particularly if the head of the CBWTLG alliance made comments to do with a united team. I also don't believe the page supports the EU should enter a single team - I don't believe they should. And I, personally, would support a similar page to do with Africa at the Olympics. 2004 Summer Olympics medals count by International Organization states that as a united force the African Union won 8 medals, and I believe an article about the African nations at the Olympics could expand that information. Halo 22:48, 30 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
??? Sorry, what original research and speculation? The figures are real and publicly available. --Pgreenfinch 14:12, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Like I said above it relys on assumptions for a start, so doesn't have such a strong basis in fact as it might appear. The second bullet point is entirely speculative — there's no evidenciary justification, other than intuition, for its contents. We are presented with someone's reasoning, and that doesn't clear the factual threshold, or the WP:NOR threshold. -Splash 14:33, 31 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, suppressing an article that gives the pros and cons of that statement, made officially btw, would be POV and anti-encyclopedic. --Pgreenfinch 12:34, 3 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]
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