Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dhakkar

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The result was no consensus. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:51, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Dhakkar

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Not notable place. I'll teach you who rocks (talk) 19:09, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• Keep the article needs some serious work but it has the potential to be improved.

As for the not notable issue, I don't think it applies to geographic locations. If it did, then we'd be left with mostly cities and all the villages and some towns with articles in Wikipedia would need to be deleted as well. Likeminas (talk) 20:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• Keep – It is a real place as shown here by Google Maps [1] and as such usually qualifies for inclusion under Notability (geography). Thanks ShoesssS ^Talk 20:34, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Comment this link is not Google Maps and the coordinates given in the link are not for the location stated in the article. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 22:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• Comment. I'm having a surprisingly hard time verifying the existence of this place, either under the spelling given or under plausible variants. Those Maplandia maps (as linked by Shoessss above), are not necessarily to be relied on, and the place pinpointed there doesn't appear to be a town; the coordinates given in the article are in Oman, not Pakistan; and the only reasonably good "reference" I'm finding is this list, which appears to show that "Dhakar" (so spelled) shares a telephone code with Dinga. Probably the place does exist, but it doesn't appear to be labeled on Google or Bing maps, and without some evidence to satisfy WP:V, I'm reluctant to say "keep". I've listed this discussion at the delsort for Pakistan; perhaps someone there—or someone whose Google-fu is better tham mine—will be able to come up with something. Deor (talk) 22:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Pakistan-related deletion discussions. —Deor (talk) 22:45, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• Delete - The coordinates given in the article are not in Pakistan. According to Google Earth it's Oman, and there is nothing at those coord. The coordinates in the source above at wikimapia ( 32°40'55"N 73°45'42) are in Jerusalem. In fact that source even says it's Israel. The coordinates from maplandia (34° 0' 55" North, 74° 6' 15" East) are for Israel as well. I don't know anything about Dhakkar, but I do know that this article isn't about that place. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 22:55, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Umm, both 32°40′55″N 73°45′42″E and 34°0′55″N 74°6′15″E are in Pakistan, not Israel; but the latter location does not appear to be in Kharian tehsil (as the article says this place is), and neither is labeled on Google Maps. The location at the former coordinates may indeed be near Dhakkar, but in the absence of a map label there's no way to be sure. Deor (talk) 23:34, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The first one from wikimapia appears in the Dhakkar article and the coordinates are listed in the page at the URL given there. The second coordinates are given above in this AFD. They're listed as "Google Maps" by Shoessss but it's actually maplandia. On that page it has the coordinates I used. Both are for a place called Dhakkar in Israel, although both are used (one in the article, and one in this afd) to justify this article. They're both incorrect sources for this. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 23:43, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

As I said, both sets of coordinates are for places in in Pakistan, not Israel. Click on the links in my comment above, and look at the maps. Deor (talk) 23:48, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Must be some weird character problem. When I cut/paste them into Google Earth it took me to Israel. Go figure. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 00:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

• Keep Verified populated place, listed in the GEOnet Names Server [2]. The coordinates in the article were wrong, but they're fixed now. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 19:07, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Those coordinates are not for the place this article deals with. There may be two (or more) Dhakkar/Dhakars in Pakistan, but the coordinates you've added certainly aren't for a location in the Kharian tehsil of Gujrat District. Deor (talk) 19:21, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Aargh, darn duplicate names. (Incidentally, the Maplandia link is the same Dhakkar that I found, so it isn't verification either now.) After a little further research, I think we may have a case of alternate spelling here; there's a Dhakar listed in Gujrat district, not too far from the Wikimapia location. That's probably the subject of the article, and would explain why it's been so hard to find references. TheCatalyst31 ^{Reaction•Creation} 20:01, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

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