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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Flag of Myanmar. Target can be altered by discussion and consensus Spartaz Humbug! 16:54, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Burmese Tricolour

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Proposed blank and redirect; using AfD process per a community consensus in 2021.

This article's creator, နေနီဝန်း, asserts that the term "Burmese Tricolour" only refers to the flags used by the Dobama Asiayone and never to the current flag of Myanmar. The content of this article also reflects this claim, but none of the sources given do.

Two of the sources were written before 2010, when the current flag of Myanmar was adopted. Obviously, they would not make any references to the current flag, nor claim that the term "Burmese Tricolour" only refers to the flags used by the Dobama Asiayone. Thus, two of the sources cannot be used to verify this claim.

The Union flag law source given only stipulates the regulations surrounding how to display the flag and does not even verify the sentence "The current flag of Myanmar (since 2010) uses the tricolour background to indicate the magnificence of the Tricolour flag.", nor the aforementioned assertion about the term "Burmese Tricolour".

The Lost Footsteps is not the best source as it is self-published, but the first sentence reads, "The current tricolour was first adopted in the 1930s by Dobama Asiayone (the ultra-nationalist "We Burmans" association)." This is true in the sense that "tricolour" refers to the colour combination, as that is what the word "tricolour" means in English (and all other languages unless there is some nuance I am not aware of in Burmese); it never means a specific flag.

It is also worth noting that the Myanmar Wikipedia's equivalent article is about a song, and does not make the claim that "Burmese Tricolour" only refers to the flags used by the Dobama Asiayone.

This article should be changed to a redirect to Flag of Myanmar#Inspiration. List of Burmese flags can also be used to list details about the Dobama Asiayone's flags, as it has not been proven that this article's topic and content are notable enough to warrant its own article. CentreLeftRight ✉ 08:37, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The flags used during 1935-1945 was commonly known and referred to the Tricolour but current national flag is not.

The English version of the Union Flag Law in article 4 states that "The yellow, green and red colours included as background colours indicate the three-coloured flag which was applied magnificently in the period of struggle for the independence of Myanmar." It's Burmese version is "နိုင်ငံတော်အလံတွင် အဝါရောင် အစိမ်းရောင်နှင့် အနီရောင်တို့ အောက်ခံအဖြစ်ပါရှိခြင်းမှာ မြန်မာနိုင်ငံ လွတ်လပ်ရေး ကြိုးပမ်းမှုကာလက ထည်ဝါစွာ အသုံးပြုခဲ့သော သုံးရောင်ခြယ်အလံကို အလေးအမြတ်ပြု ဖော်ညွှန်း ခြင်းဖြစ်သည်။" which may be translated as "In the State flag, the inclusion of yellow, green and red as background is honouring and indicating the Tricolour used during the period of struggling for independence of Myanmar".

The referenced Lost Footsteps is not mine.

The news of the case in 2015 in which somebody flied the Tricolur (သုံးရောင်ခြယ်အလံ) on the flag pole of High Court of Yangon Region.

  • Case opening

https://burma.irrawaddy.com/news/2015/01/02/69302.html

  • Investigation

https://burma.irrawaddy.com/news/2015/01/09/69585.html

နေနီဝန်း (talk) 08:58, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The symbolizations of the colours are also different between the Tricolour and the National Flag of Myanmar, despite having the same colours.

  • In Dobama Tricolour;

the yellow symbolizes "religion (Buddhism) Sasana and education" [ဘာသာ သာသနာ ပညာ];
the green symbolizes "paddy, rice and water (staple grains and crops), and gold, silver, jewelry (precious mineral resources)" [စပါးဆန်ရေ၊ ရွှေငွေရတနာ];
the red symbolizes bravery or courage [ရဲစိတ်ရဲမာန်]
but there was no defination of white and other colours. Reference: သုံးရောင်ခြယ် https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=amN0RW1n4gk

  • While in the National Flag of Myanmar ;

the yellow symbolizes unity, conformity, huge wisdom, happiness and unity of all national races amicably [စည်းလုံးခြင်း၊ ညီညွတ်ခြင်း၊ ဉာဏ်ပညာကြီးမားခြင်း၊ ပျော်ရွှင်ခြင်းနှင့် တိုင်းရင်းသား အားလုံး ချစ်ခင်ရင်း နှီးစွာ စည်းလုံးညီညွတ်မှုရှိခြင်];
the green symbolizes of fertility, conformity, fairness and being a peaceful, pleasant, and greening nation [မြေဆီဩဇာကြွယ်ဝခြင်း၊ ညီညွှတ်မျှတခြင်းနှင့် အေးချမ်းသာယာ၍ စိမ်းလန်းစိုပြည်သည့် နိုင်ငံဖြစ်ခြင်း];
the red symbolizes bravery and decisiveness [ရဲရင့်ခြင်းနှင့် ပြတ်သားခြင်း];
the white colour of the star symbolizes purity, honesty, fullness of compassion and power [သန့်ရှင်းစင်ကြယ်ခြင်း ဖြောင့်မတ်မှန်ကန်ခြင်း၊ ကရုဏာတရား ပြည့်ဝခြင်းနှင့် စွမ်းအင်နှင့် ပြည့်စုံခြင်]. Reference: Union Flag Law [နိုင်ငံတော်အလံဥပဒေ]
English: https://www.mlis.gov.mm/mLsView.do;jsessionid=940B4DECB83CA22C4FB3213CCC92AE53?lawordSn=7351
Burmese: https://www.mlis.gov.mm/mLsView.do;jsessionid=D0281D9E4F1C2468CE0F47A6AC1E4501?lawordSn=914

နေနီဝန်း (talk) 09:22, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

One of main contentions is that the distinction does not exist in English, but I recognise that that argument might be counterintuitive given that most viewers of an article (on the English Wikipedia) as niche as historical Burmese flags would likely be Burmese English language speakers. If the consensus is to keep this article, I would argue that it is better to just add {{For}} (i.e. This article is about the first tricolour (etc.) ... for the current flag of Myanmar, see Flag of Myanmar) to the top of Burmese tricolour (I do not think the capitalisation is justified) and to delete Myanmar tricolour (Disambiguation).
However, another issue I see is that the article topic itself is not very notable. It's a stub article about the flag of an organisation that became a popular anti-colonialist symbol, but I don't see why such a topic couldn't be covered in Flag of Myanmar or even in one of the tables in List of Burmese flags. CentreLeftRight ✉ 09:04, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 01:51, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Coming to this article (semi-randomly from the Lithuanian Flag), I found the title and content confusing and poorly written. I think this information should be included in Flag of Myanmar. A separate article is not worth it for seven sentences. —⚜ Moilleadóir ☎ 02:40, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 08:16, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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