Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bennifer

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete, without prejudice to creating a redirect to the appropriate section of the Jennifer Lopez or Ben Affleck biography. As the article is about the relationship between the actors and only passingly about the term "Bennifer" itself, any encyclopedic treatment of the relationship can be included within one or both of the actors' articles. While the relationship is arguably notable (depending on the weight one gives the sources), our notability guidelines do not require that all notable topics receive their own article when it is possible that a broader article – e.g. the actor bio(s) – can adequately cover the topic as part of its broader treatment of the subject. Several editors participating in the discussion have proposed including any relevant information in the actors' bios instead of having a standalone article, and no argument appears to have been made to explain why that proposal would be either a bad idea or against policy. 28bytes (talk) 20:48, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bennifer

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Delete - Following the deletion of Personal life of Jennifer Lopez (AfD), I feel that this article should be deleted for similar reasons. The WP:INDISCRIMINATE details of this piece read like a WP:TABLOID or WP:FANCRUFT. Moreover, this violates one of the fundamental principals of WP:BLP - "Biographies of living persons ("BLP"s) must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid" - and is full of WP:BLPGOSSIP. The article contains next to no out-of-universe commentary from verifiable or reliable independent sources. At the very most, transwiki to Wiktionary. SplashScreen (talk) 22:32, 1 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • It should be noted that there is actually no !vote from me located in this article. I decided to neither !vote keep, merge or delete. It should also be noted that this user seems to like nominating articles I create for deletion, and doing so without notification. Statυs (talk) 23:04, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER☆★ 16:24, 2 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Their relationship was notable and affected their careers, both in negative way I guess. However, I still think this article has enough information to stand of its own.— Tomica (talk) 12:15, 4 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Because I asked you for it. When linking to polices, you should specify how exactly it is against policy. It is not a requirement, but surely if a user asks you to do so, you should. Statυs (talk) 00:23, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - I think this is a good example of a topic which seems 'notable' at the time, but ultimately fails to demonstrate long-term notability. We're talking about an 18-month romance here, with few to no lasting consequences. I don't think that's a subject deserving of its own article. There are also BLP issues here: I'm not entirely comfortable with articles which focus on the personal lives of living celebrities and their failed relationships. I'd be fine with (say) Relationship of Richard Burton and Elizabeth Taylor, since they're both dead, but one like this is more problematic. Robofish (talk) 16:10, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. When I first saw this article existed, I thought it might be justified as the (possible) origin of the celebrity-couple-portmanteau meme. But the article isn't about the meme; it's just an exhaustive retelling of every step of the relationship, offering very little argument about why anyone today should care about any of it. A briefer summation should be (and probably already is) included in Affleck's and Lopez's respective articles. Theoldsparkle (talk) 18:31, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • (In response to The Devil's Advocate) No, I don't agree that we should keep this article which is entirely about a non-notable topic, on the basis that if it were completely rewritten with an entirely different focus, that new focus might justify keeping that new and entirely different article. If you, or anyone else, would like to write an article about "Bennifer" that justifies the topic's notability, deleting this currently-existing article should prevent absolutely no barrier to doing that. Theoldsparkle (talk) 13:51, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • We already have sources and material to work with here. Deleting this would require editors to go back and find all the sources and write all the material. Here we can make adjustments and review sources to more quickly remedy the issues.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 17:37, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Obviously that is your personal opinion, however not all think like you here. And I don't see that editors that voted for deletion of the article raised some major issues. It is just in my opinion. — Tomica (talk) 23:40, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: As Clarity and Devil both stated, the article is in need of a face lift. But that is not a reason to delete an article. The nominator should also read WP:BEFORE prior to nominating articles, which is required of him. Statυs (talk)
  • Keep: the topic is of extreme notability. The couple—not only were extremely influential and notable during their run—popularized the combination of names for other couples, and sort of became the "start of something" if you get what i mean. Most points mentioned are very important and while this article isn't perfect it most certainly should not be deleted. −SoapJar 14:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Another example of a blip on the celebrity radar screen whose content should be (but probably already is) in the articles of the two elements of this amalgamate. Drmies (talk) 14:38, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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