Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Astros–Dodgers rivalry

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The result was merge‎ to Major League Baseball rivalries#Houston Astros vs. Los Angeles Dodgers. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:01, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

Astros–Dodgers rivalry

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This is another rivalry article between teams who are not historical rivals where the scope of article is centred on a WP:CFORK of Houston Astros sign stealing scandal. The content included in the article can be found in other articles. Nemov (talk) 03:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports and Baseball. Nemov (talk) 03:24, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: California and Texas. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:32, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete, anything here that can be placed into the "Impact and aftermath" section of the sing stealing article should be placed there. Otherwise, Dodgers fans are and will always be passed at the Astros for this one moment, but it doesn't mean the two are historical rivals. Let's see how things change if they meet again. Conyo14 (talk) 04:58, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
• Redirect to Major League Baseball rivalries#Houston Astros vs. Los Angeles Dodgers after doing any pertinent WP:SUMMARY work there and at the team articles to merge key points into the appropriate sections. Some of the rationale in my response at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cardinals–Royals rivalry (3rd nomination) also applies here, though I'm not going to do the same tedious cite-by-cite analysis I did over there.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:42, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

  Eh, unlike the Cardinals–Royals rivalry, this one doesn't have enough mustard for even a paragraph mention. It's really just FANCRUFT and Dodgers fans being their salty selves. Conyo14 (talk) 17:31, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

• Merge and Redirect to Houston Astros sign stealing scandal Anything that is of note in this article, which in my opinion only includes incidents after the scandal, can be added to the “Impact and aftermath” section of that article. Brandon Nimmo (talk) 17:15, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
• Merge and Redirect to Major League Baseball rivalries#Houston Astros vs. Los Angeles Dodgers Subject does not meet the WP:GNG for a standalone article, but some of the sourced info can be added to the main MLB rivalry article.User:Let'srun 16:31, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. No rivalry exists between these two teams. While they were both in NL playoff contention in the late 1970s and early 1980s, and have both been consistent World Series contenders over the past 5-10 years, teams being simultaneously competitive does not imply they are rivals. No sources are present to establish a rivalry between the team, and much of the alleged "hatred" amongst fans stems from the Houston Astros sign stealing scandal. I don't think there is enough substantiated content of a rivalry to even merit a mention on the rivalries page either, and for that reason I oppose a redirect. Frank Anchor 13:47, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting as there are two different Merge/Redirect target articles mentioned.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:21, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

• Keep - Meets WP:GNG.KatoKungLee (talk) 00:36, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. No rivalry exists between these two teams, so a redirect is not appropriate. Reading the article will show this as does the lack of sources. WP:NRIVALRY points to GNG and there are no WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. Ping me if sources are found.  // Timothy :: talk  06:02, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

  Besides, it should be Dodgers–Astros rivalry anyways ;) Conyo14 (talk) 08:10, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Limited participation after last relist. Arguments for deleting, keeping and redirecting (Houston Astros sign stealing scandal/Major League Baseball rivalries#Houston Astros vs. Los Angeles Dodgers) have been presented.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NotAGenious (talk) 18:05, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

• Merge and Redirect to Major League Baseball rivalries#Houston Astros vs. Los Angeles Dodgers as most of the details of this rivalry, maybe except for the aftermath of the sign stealing scandal, is not notable enough for a separate article. Polser11 (talk) 02:13, 27 November 2023 (UTC)
• Delete Sources indicate that the Astros and Dodgers have played each other, but do not establish a "rivalry". – Muboshgu (talk) 20:46, 27 November 2023 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.