Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asian Golden Ball Award

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The result was delete. slakr^\ talk / 08:11, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Asian Golden Ball Award

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Hoax? I can't find anything at all to confirm this. Neither this nor this nor (most clearly) this give any useful results. There is a "Golden Ball" at the end of the Asian Cup[1], but that is something different than what is described here (different set of players, not annual, ...). Fram (talk) 08:54, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No it's not a hoax. For now, most of the news of this award can only be found on Chinese websites, but this award is existed. The 24 journalists are come from almost all AFC countries, and three European journalists from L'Equipe, La Gazzetta Dello Sport and Goal.com, only one of them is Chinese journalist, so I think this award is credible. And here is the news about Honda accepted this award in San Siro on Mar 16th, 2014 (Photo provided): http://soccer.titan24.com/2014-03-17/251224.html. And here the news about Son won the award in 2014 and journalists' comments on players: http://cnsoccer.titan24.com/2014-11-28/327188.html. Cirolchou (talk) 09:28, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I can't read the Chinese sources, but it seems as if at best it is a so-far non notable award, considering the lack of independent sources about it. Fram (talk) 09:33, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This source would be fine, from AC Milan offical website: http://www.acmilan.com/en/news/breaking_news_show/55673. And a Italian language version news here: http://www.calciomercatonews.com/2014/03/16/asia-award-honda-eletto-miglior-giocatore-asiatico-del-2013/. And I found an official English news by Titan Sports: http://cnsoccer.titan24.com/2013-12-02/310316.html, this news translated this award with "Best Footballer In Asia", so I think I should move the article to this title. Cirolchou (talk) 10:02, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A source from AC Milan about a player from AC Milan winning an award is obviously not an independent source. You have now moved to the article to Best Footballer in Asia, but this as well, though no longer a hoax, has received very little attention[2], nothing at all even for the 2014 one. The Calciomercato source calls it the "Asia Award", giving us a third name for the same award in one year... I still can't find a single source for the 2014 award (under whatever name) for Son Heung-min. If this is notable, it doies a very good job at hiding it. Fram (talk) 10:09, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The 2014 version's result came out just today, I think it would take some days to have English news. After all it's an award that only has a two-year history. But the journalists that vote for this award are all come from famous agencies of their own countries, and almost all AFC countries, so the confidence of this award is obvious. Compared to AFC's Asian Footballer of the Year that is only opened to Asian players at Asian club, it would evaluate Asian footballer from a wider range. Cirolchou (talk) 10:35, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:58, 28 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I cannot see any evidence of notability. If you can find some reliable, third-party sources that cover the award in detail feel free to ping me so I can reconsider. Giant Snowman 09:16, 30 November 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- @GiantSnowman:Actually,there are many independent sources about the award. For example:[3][4][5][6][7][8]--114.81.255.40 (talk) 15:58, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- As far as I can tell, the first four sources you show give the exact same result... And the sixth one seems to be from TitanSports. So if this is correct, then your six links show at most two independent sources, not six. Now, looking at the first of these two, I can't find no reference to the Award (using Google translate, but even so, I can see articles about AIDS, the NBA, and smartphones). So that leaves us with one source about the 2013 awards, apparently a press release from Titan, if I read it correctly. What's the independent aspect of that source? Fram (talk) 16:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - The first four sources are not the same at all. They are from four different newspapers, and transformed into a same mobile version by baidu. Also, google translate is useless. As a native Chinese speaker, I can tell you that there is reference to the award.--114.81.255.37 (talk) 00:05, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Maybe Baidu gives a different view to you thanb it does to me, depending on our country or so? For me, all four links you provide are exactly the same, with one image (a child looking at weapons?) and a few sections including one about the NBA. Nothing on this page (as far as I can see) is about the award. Let's hope we hear from a few others who can give their results with your links. Fram (talk) 08:07, 2 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:38, 5 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 03:35, 13 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per WP:NOTSTATS, no sourced prose to indicate that this award has received any significant coverage itself. No prejudice against recreation if it becomes notable in the future, but the fact that the newspaper which awards it appears not to have a WP article says to me that if there is insufficient interest in the awarding body that a WP article does not exist, then an award created by that body is probably not yet notable itself. I'm not seeing anything above to indiacre reliable sources are discussing the award per se. Fenix down (talk) 11:12, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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