Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2020 coronavirus pandemic in North Korea

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was WP:SNOW keep. BD2412 T 21:57, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

2020 coronavirus pandemic in North Korea

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There are no confirmed cases of Coronavirus in North Korea so it shouldn't have its own article. It's not notable and falsely claims that there is a pandemic in North Korea. SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 01:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 01:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 01:15, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Health and fitness-related deletion discussions. TJMSmith (talk) 01:16, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A pandemic by definition is not a national event, but a global one. There is a pandemic on Earth right now, and as far as I am aware North Korea is on this planet. Hence the name would be appropriate even if there were really no cases. (That's also just an argument for an RM, which even it is flawed.) Carl Fredrik talk 01:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Although North Korea has not officially announced any confirmed cases, based on the fact that the closed their borders to their biggest ally, China, speaks volumes. With the vast majority of countries around the globe having contracted the virus, especially the ones that border North Korea (Russia, China and South Korea), it is only time until there are confirmed cases. The amount of quality sourced material included in the article by major news agencys should also speak numbers regarding the authenticity of the content and it not being just hear say.— Mr Xaero ☎️ 01:28, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    We shouldn't have an article based on speculations see WP:CRYSTALBALL. Still the article title claims that there is a pandemic although there isn't any confirmed cases in there.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 01:35, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Even the lack of cases in a GLOBAL pandemic is notable. Unless NK has a giant glass dome the size of the country, they have the virus within their borders. — Mr Xaero ☎️ 01:47, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep – a lack of cases does not imply the article should be deleted. There are plenty of news articles covering this topic, and the article is quite well-developed. If at the end of this North Korea turns out to be the only country unaffected by the pandemic, that would clearly be notable, even more so than now. – bradv🍁 01:35, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I should clarify that the nomination specifically refers to a lack of confirmed cases. The sources are full of suggestions that the disease is present in DPRK, even if Kim isn't ready to admit it. That alone is worthy of coverage. – bradv🍁 01:44, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - although ordinary we don't create articles when we expect something to become notable, this is definitely going to be subject to ongoing coverage during the course of the pandemic, and the article is decent enough quality to be kept even if notability is debatable at the moment because of a lack of reliable, independent sources from the area. Natureium (talk) 01:39, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment please read what WP:CRYSTALBALL says "All articles about anticipated events must be verifiable, and the subject matter must be of sufficiently wide interest that it would merit an article if the event had already occurred."(emphasis is mine)--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 01:47, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    There are plenty of reliable sources discussing the outbreak in DPRK. Just because they say they have no cases, doesn't mean there's no notability. Coverage is what we're looking for. Even if coverage is saying "we don't know for sure yet". Natureium (talk) 01:49, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    The article is not about an anticipated event - it's about what's happening now. Read the sources, such as this one. – bradv🍁 01:51, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I can see a sustained coverage. Bring one highly reliable source that covered the pandemic (not pass mentions) in the last 24 hours in regard to North Korea. The only source I can find is this and it is not about north Korea. Also, the source you provided is attributing to the South Korean media the only reporter about this. This is an exceptional claim that requires exceptional sources per WP:EXCEPTIONAL --SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 02:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Why in the last 24 hours? – bradv🍁 02:03, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Is 31 hours okay? [1] – bradv🍁 02:06, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I got hold of 4 hours ago [2]. First on my google search results... 11 hours ago [3] is second… Carl Fredrik talk 02:08, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    I still think this article shouldn't exist since there are no cases. I have not seen any article about a country that has no confirmed cases except this article. The title is also misinformation. Most people read the title only because they see it in Google and the title implies that there are confirmed cases and not just media reports from South Korea and the US.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 02:14, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    No, SharabSalam — The title doesn't imply that. The title implies that North Korea existed and was affected by the global pandemic. That it had no cases, but shut its borders is enough to be noteworthy, even if it "reports" 0 cases.
    And what is the nonsense about it having 0 cases? Since when does Wikipedia take that type of information at face value? It's not only naive, but seems intentionally disruptive to even imply taking such statistics at face value…, when articles on the outbreak in the US, Italy, Nordics don't take the numbers at face value. Carl Fredrik talk 08:36, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - the article title may be currently unfortunate. But everyone here understands that it is shorthand for "response to the pandemic" and "effects of the pandemic" and NK is affected just like everyone else on Earth. If NK still hasn't confirmed any cases in 2 weeks, then I might support an RM to emphasize the (suspicious) lack of an outbreak. But this is a thing and it's a thing in NK and we need uniform coverage. They don't get a pass because they're a retrograde dictatorship with bizarre customs and no free press. Elizium23 (talk) 01:55, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Do follow the logic above — a pandemic can never be a national event. Carl Fredrik talk 01:59, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Was there something I wrote to imply that I think it is? Elizium23 (talk) 02:00, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That there was something wrong about the article name. Carl Fredrik talk 02:02, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A pandemic is not a national event, but a pandemic can have exclusion zones. NK being as insular and backward as they are, depending on how quickly they closed their borders, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the virus actually did not get in at all. Elizium23 (talk) 02:04, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't mean the pandemic isn't affecting North Korea. Carl Fredrik talk 02:06, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You seem remarkably pedantic in this discussion. Have our roles been reversed somehow? Elizium23 (talk) 05:37, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think that a move request is doing to go very well. All the other articles on CoV in other countries cover the same topic and follow the same naming conventions. Natureium (talk) 02:30, 25 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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