Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 Thai FA Cup

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep (non-admin closure) →TheSpecialUser^Talk_{Contributions} 15:39, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

2012 Thai FA Cup

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Declined Prod. Prod reason was "Unrefernced Article consisting of win/loose stats". Prod Decliner wrote in the edit summary "Deprod – Certainly notable needs improvement not deletion, would be controversial, feel free to AfD if you disagree." Prod decliner did not correct the reason for why the article was proposed. Article was created on the 20th of April and tagged that day with unreferenced. Article creator has come back and added more content without any referencing. Hasteur (talk) 16:34, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:43, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:43, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:43, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:43, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
• Keep - just for clarify sake I was the User who contested the PROD. The article is certainly notable as it the domestic cup of Thailand with teams from a fully pro league the Thai Premier League competing & the winner entering the AFC Champions League article need improvement not deletion. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:56, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not challenging it on notability grounds (As it's obvious), I'm challenging it on grounds that not a single independent reliable source is available for over 8k of wikitext. I note the minimal citing asserting the dates for the first round, but this is just a stats dump instead of a list or real article Hasteur (talk) 17:15, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

• Keep Clearly notable tournament. Correct course of action is to find references. Proposer doesn't seem to contest that the article is notable and is giving no policy-based grounds for deletion. --Colapeninsula (talk) 17:08, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, and how has that been working. Policy based grounds for deletion is the fact that it's practically unsourced. If the maintanance tag remains and no improvement on the article is shown, then we have to follow the guidelines for WP. Hasteur (talk) 17:15, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

• Keep - national cup competitions are clearly notable. Article needs to be improved not deleted. Sir Sputnik (talk) 17:13, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

And how long would you Keepers like to hold of for improvement? A Week, A Month, A Year, Infinity? If there aren't sources now, what makes you think there will be sources later? Hasteur (talk) 17:16, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

• Keep All the results are sourced by the reference that appears in the articles. The dates for the forthcoming rounds are unsourced admittedly but these could easily be removed and restored when the Thai League page updates. Beyond results there is nothing else in the article, which is often the case for these sort of articles, so I'm not seeing the problem. Keresaspa (talk) 17:42, 8 May 2012 (UTC)
• Keep per Colapeninsula and Sir Sputnik. From WP:V, "It must be possible to attribute all information in Wikipedia to reliable, published sources that are appropriate for the content in question. However, in practice it is only necessary to provide inline citations for quotations and for any information that has been challenged or that is likely to be challenged." Unless anyone thinks a particularly creative vandal has written a bizarro version of the Thai FA Cup, perhaps where his team wins, there's no great rush to find sources. And as Keresaspa pointed out, there is now a source cited which does verify all these results. (And I changed the template at the top from {{unreferenced}} to {{one source}} accordingly.) --BDD (talk) 16:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
• Comment While y'all are at it finding sources for this, I'd suggest you take a look at 2011 Thai FA Cup as well. I went there to see if there were any sources for WP:V that I could find equivalents for this one, and it's as unsourced as this was before it got taken to AfD. - Jorgath (talk) ^(contribs) 19:41, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
• Keep - it seems notable enough to me. ~Adjwilley (talk) 22:46, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

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