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Welcome To Dr. Dennis Bogdan's ("Grandmaster Editor") Talk-Pages


US – Not Too Long Ago
WikiEditor Joanne & WikiEditor Dennis

Welcome!

Hello, Drbogdan, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome!   Will Beback  talk  03:30, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Near the top
During a backpacking trip
Enjoying the view from near the top at about 14,000 feet

ART: Renoir's "Luncheon of the Boating Party” (1881) – Since 1923, At The *Phillips Gallery* In Washington, DC – Near My Apartment During My *GW University* Days.
(NOTE: My Clickable Image of Renoir's "Luncheon of the Boating Party" is Copied Below - Stay Safe and Healthy !!)

Renoir - Boating PartyAdrien Maggiolo (Italian journalist)Affenpinscher dogAline Charigot (seamstress and Renoir's future wife)Alphonse Fournaise, Jr. (owner's son)Angèle Legault (actress)Charles Ephrussi (art historian)Ellen Andrée (actress)Eugène Pierre Lestringez (bureaucrat)Gustave Caillebotte (artist)Jeanne Samary (actress)Jules Laforgue (poet and critic)LandscapeLandscapeLouise-Alphonsine Fournaise (owner's daughter)Paul Lhote (artist)Baron Raoul Barbier (former mayor of colonial Saigon)SailboatsStill lifeunknown person
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"ESSAY On NATURE: Includes My Wikipedia Timelines !!"[1]
References

References

  1. ^ Bogdan, Dennis (August 1, 2016). "DrBogdan Timelines - What is 'Nature' in Nature Photography? - Ganesh H. Shankar". NatureLyrics.com. Archived from the original on August 18, 2018. Retrieved March 25, 2023. – Archives: Wayback => https://web.archive.org/web/20180810123152/http://www.naturelyrics.com/pages/articles/nature_photography/nature_in_nature_photography.html / WebCitation => http://www.webcitation.org/71ZFXHQ6y / Perma.cc => https://perma.cc/58SR-BZKL

Testing a new Wiki-App: my "Wikipedia Overview" (template) - Comments Welcome - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 09:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Overview by Dr. Dennis Bogdan)
Wikipedia Facts
Topics of 1000 randomly sampled articles (2016).
Size of a printed version of Wikipedia (2010).

WIKIPEDIA – The 5th most popular site on the Internet, was launched on January 15, 2001 (1st edit by co-founder Jimmy Wales), is currently published in over 300 languages, has been freely available worldwide for 23 years, 5 months and 27 daysWikipedia has 63,316,773 total articles (6,850,114 in English (stats); 253,952 in Simple English) – *VITAL ARTICLES*: 101001000; *BEST ARTICLES*: 50,855; *POPULAR ARTICLES*: Last 24 hours; Last Week: Top25; Top5000 – and has (for the English version) 855 administrators and 114,409 active editors (includes over 1,400 stated PhDs and over 130 MDs) – as of 01:23, July 12, 2024 (UTC).

Drbogdan (talk) 09:44, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Testing a new Wiki-App: my "Top Ten Science Facts" (template) - Comments Welcome - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 09:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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References (CLICK "[show]" on the right)
(NOTE: If ads or paywall, *Click Archived version* or *CopyPaste link to new Browser tab*)
  1. ^ Staff (2020). "How many stars are there in the Universe?". European Space Agency. Archived from the original on January 17, 2020. Retrieved December 1, 2023.
  2. ^ Mackie, Glen (February 1, 2002). "To see the Universe in a Grain of Taranaki Sand". Centre for Astrophysics and Supercomputing. Archived from the original on August 11, 2011. Retrieved January 28, 2017.
  3. ^ Mack, Eric (19 March 2015). "There may be more Earth-like planets than grains of sand on all our beaches - New research contends that the Milky Way alone is flush with billions of potentially habitable planets -- and that's just one sliver of the universe". CNET. Archived from the original on 1 December 2023. Retrieved 1 December 2023.
  4. ^ T. Bovaird, T.; Lineweaver, C.H.; Jacobsen, S.K. (13 March 2015). "Using the inclinations of Kepler systems to prioritize new Titius–Bode-based exoplanet predictions". Monthly Notices of the Royal Astronomical Society. 448 (4): 3608–3627. doi:10.1093/mnras/stv221. Archived from the original on 1 December 2023. Retrieved 1 December 2023.
  5. ^ Totani, Tomonori (February 3, 2020). "Emergence of life in an inflationary universe". Scientific Reports. 10 (1671). doi:10.1038/s41598-020-58060-0. Archived from the original on December 1, 2023. Retrieved December 1, 2023.
  6. ^ Staff (2020). "The Extrasolar Planets Encyclopaedia - Catalog". The Extrasolar Planets Encyclopaedia. Archived from the original on December 3, 2023. Retrieved December 3, 2023.
  7. ^ Staff (2020). "Martians on Mars found by the Curiosity rover". 360cities.net. Archived from the original on December 3, 2023. Retrieved December 3, 2023.
  8. ^ a b Cofield, Calla (August 24, 2016). "How We Could Visit the Possibly Earth-Like Planet Proxima b". Space.com. Archived from the original on December 3, 2023. Retrieved December 3, 2023.
  9. ^ Bogdan, Dr. Dennis (2020). "Calculation - Time to nearest star". LiveJournal. Archived from the original on August 21, 2020. Retrieved August 20, 2020.
  10. ^ Fraknoi, Andrew (2007). "How Fast Are You Moving When You Are Sitting Still?" (PDF). NASA. Archived from the original on December 3, 2023. Retrieved December 3, 2023.
  11. ^ Kolata, Gina (June 14, 2012). "In Good Health? Thank Your 100 Trillion Bacteria". The New York Times. Archived from the original on December 3, 2023. Retrieved December 3, 2023.
  12. ^ Novacek, Michael J. (November 8, 2014). "Prehistory's Brilliant Future". The New York Times. Archived from the original on December 3, 2023. Retrieved December 3, 2023.
  13. ^ Overbye, Dennis (December 1, 2023). "Exactly How Much Life Is on Earth? - According to a new study, living cells outnumber stars in the universe, highlighting the deep, underrated link between geophysics and biology". The New York Times. Archived from the original on December 1, 2023. Retrieved December 1, 2023.
  14. ^ Crockford, Peter W.; et al. (November 6, 2023). "The geologic history of primary productivity". Current Biology. 33 (21): P7741-4750.E5. Archived from the original on December 1, 2023. Retrieved December 1, 2023.
  15. ^ Bogdan, Dr. Dennis (February 16, 2020). "The one particular chemical is Nucleic Acid - a basic chemical for all known life forms - in the form of DNA - and/or - RNA - that defines - by way of a particular genetic code sequence - all the astronomically diverse known life forms on Earth - all such known life forms are essentially a variation of this particular Nucleic Acid chemical that, at a very basic level, has been uniquely coded for a specific known life form". Dr. Dennis Bogdan.
  16. ^ Berg, J.M.; Tymoczko, J.L.; Stryer, L. (2002). "Chapter 5. DNA, RNA, and the Flow of Genetic Information". Book: Biochemistry. 5th edition. Retrieved February 16, 2020.
  17. ^ Baker, Harry (July 11, 2021). "How many atoms are in the observable universe?". Live Science. Archived from the original on December 1, 2023. Retrieved December 1, 2023.
  18. ^ Sundermier, Ali (September 23, 2016). "99.9999999% of Your Body Is Empty Space". ScienceAlert. Archived from the original on December 3, 2023. Retrieved December 3, 2023.


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Drbogdan (talk) 09:48, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Testing a new Wiki-App: my "Webm Music Video" (webm video) - "Just Out Walking" - may return at a better time - Comments Welcome - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - and - Enjoy !! :) - Drbogdan (talk) 10:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Original Song - Wiki Video Test

Drbogdan (talk) 10:22, 2 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE - Note: My test video on Wikipedia (at User talk:Drbogdan#"Test - My Webm Video") is for testing purposes - it's convenient and, by being my own video and on Wikipedia, WP:PD - an appropriate use afaik atm - and, mostly, less likely to be a copyvio of somebody - hope this helps - Drbogdan (talk) 16:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE: - Related conversions/downloads/uploads seem to test ok - including web browsers (desktops/laptop) tested (so far) - Drbogdan (talk) 12:45, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
UPDATE: - May not always be available these days due to other interests and concerns (including real-world ones) - iac - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - and - Enjoy !!  :) - Drbogdan (talk) 13:15, 3 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can’t get it to work on iPhone. Viriditas (talk) 15:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: - Thanks for all your recent comments - interesting - re your iPhone - we don't have an iPhone and i'm happy you tried this - seems Wikipedia requires WEBM for video files - but iPhone may not? - maybe missing a relevant video codec for WEBM on the iPhone? - maybe the iPhone works better for the same video on Youtube (possibly MP4? - but not WEBM) at => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNIDB-94jxc - if interested, my other songs are at => https://www.youtube.com/user/Joannebogdan/videos - iac - Thanks for trying - it's appreciated - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 16:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I want to add that I like the music. Not only does it remind me of "Going Up the Country" by Canned Heat (read that article to see why), but it also has a very modern feel, in the sense that internet videos often use this type of music as theme music and perhaps even as incidental music when the host is engaging in action on screen, such as driving a car down a road, or walking somewhere, such as on a farm or in a park. I could see internet video celebrities using this music as part of their soundtrack. For an idea of how this kind of thing works, listen to how the music is used in videos about Japanese culture in Abroad in Japan, as one of many examples. Viriditas (talk) 21:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas: - Thanks for your comments about my music video - one of my roommates (during my GWU/DC days in the early 1960s), Rick Ostheimer ( https://www.facebook.com/rick.ostheimer ), enjoyed this song as well - and in somewhat the same way - Rick, a hiker who has won the Triple Crown of Hiking, thinks the song works very well on country roads - and adopted it as his theme song on his hiking adventures - incidentally, Rick kept a very good journal of his hiking adventures ( https://www.trailjournals.com/handlebar ) (better than the Lewis Clark Journals?) - iac - Thanks again for your comments - and - Enjoy !! :) - Drbogdan (talk) 22:30, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, well done. BTW, if you’re on Reddit, check out r/sanfrancisco. Yesterday, a Redditor posted a map of their 30+ mile hike around the perimeter of San Francisco, complete with Apple stats. It’s an amazing discussion for several reasons. Check it out. Viriditas (talk) 22:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect Valinor Hills Station has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Anyone, including you, is welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 4 § Valinor Hills Station until a consensus is reached. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 14:04, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ANI notification

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Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 07:53, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A copy of my comments on ANI is as folliows (see below): - Drbogdan (talk) 12:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

  • Comment - Thank You *very much* for the discussion - yes - and Thanks for all the complements over the years (see => User:Drbogdan#My Awards) (since 2006 - or earlier?) - yes - my intention is to present all my edits in *good faith* - always - and abide by all WP rules as best as possible - at the moment, my total edits over all wikis (including Wikitionary and WikiSpecies) is 98,193 (see => Special:CentralAuth/Drbogdan) - in addition, I've created 306 articles (perhaps noteworthy is Earliest known life forms), 70 templates (perhaps noteworthy are my efforts at {{Human timeline}} and {{Life timeline}}), 34 userboxes and uploaded 2,488 images (see => User:Drbogdan#My Contributions) - to date - my professional background (and related) is presented to help others better evaluate my editing efforts - some of my edits, particularly at User:Drbogdan, the related Talk Page, including 13 Talk archives (see => User talk:Drbogdan), the sandbox (see => User:Drbogdan/sandbox and related subpages) have been experimental efforts, learning opportunities to improve my use of WP:WikiCode, and test areas to explore new ways of presenting Wiki-related projects and articles (and more) - regarding some of my WP:Redirects - please see => my explanation for their creation as follows: *Comment - As OA of several of the WP:Redirects noted above, it's *entirely* ok wth me to do whatever is decided in the final WP:CONSENSUS discussion - these WP:RDRs were made as a way of linking to Wikipedia from External Websites (like FaceBook), which drops the ending ")", this problem has been fully described and discussed [by me] on the WP:Village pump (technical) at VP-Archive204 (a Must-Read); VP-Archive180; VP-Archive162 - in any case - hope this helps in some way - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 13:26, 23 February 2024 (UTC) - yes - some of my edits could be better - and which I hope to improve even more over time and further practice - I greatly appreciate others helping to correct my unintentionally-made issues - as I have helped them correct their own editing issues over the years - in any case - hope my comments above helps in some ways - please let me know if otherwise of course - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 12:01, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

User:Drbogdan/BogdanDennis-PhD-Dissertation-1973-TEXT, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Drbogdan/BogdanDennis-PhD-Dissertation-1973-TEXT and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Drbogdan/BogdanDennis-PhD-Dissertation-1973-TEXT during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. DeCausa (talk) 22:39, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

User:Drbogdan/NytComments-Search, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Drbogdan/NytComments-Search and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of User:Drbogdan/NytComments-Search during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. DeCausa (talk) 22:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Suggestions

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I would try to limit your participation in the Mfd’s and the ANI. You’ve said everything that can be said. Adding any more at this point could work against you. Also, you may want to change your focus and pay more attention to starting a new article and following the article creation process for a single topic, nominating for DYK, GAN, and even FAC. This will force you to learn the most current methods and procedures and to update your skill set. I notice you are sometimes risk averse to new things, but it would help to let go of that mindset. I think you would really enjoy expanding your reach. Viriditas (talk) 09:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am reviewing your talk page archives to see how this whole thing started. It looks like Warren misinterpreted your preference for talk page formatting, which is your longtime personal style, as an affront to his person. We both know you didn’t mean or intend this, but I have noticed this pattern to your edits and comments, in that you tend to do things in a very unique and personal way that often leads to misunderstanding and resentment from others, particularly the kind of personalities who expect things to happen a certain way and don’t like surprises or deviations from the norm. I think you should account for these kinds of narrow personalities in future interactions. I’m not saying you did anything wrong, because you didn’t. I know your style and I’m perfectly happy with it, but I can see how people who don’t know you might get the wrong impression. Something to think about? Viriditas (talk) 09:52, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: - Thank You for *all* your comments and suggestions - *entirely* agree - had thought nearly the same as well - besides - I've gotten busy with one thing or another these days with other interests and concerns (as before, mostly in the real-world) - so no problem whatsoever - should note that I have no problem staying within the norm - tried a few ideas to help make talk pages clearer, more useful and organized - incidentally, seems my actual starting/registraton date may have been lost during the early days of Wikipedia? => Seems My "Registration Date" Could Be -> "Before December, 2005" - Or, At Least, "October 24, 2007," (Date Of My "First Edit") based on my following discussion at => Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2010 October 5#What Is My Registration Date? - in any case - thanks again for your comments and all - they're *greatly* appreciated - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 10:10, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I just thought of something fun we could collaborate on together. Have you considered looking at your image collection, particularly the ones you have uploaded (or ones you have planned to upload), and thought about any new articles we can create? I know you've got a few from some live performances or lectures by some famous people (or even hiking trails, or better yet, chemistry-related topics). If you can think of any events or topics we can create based on those images, I would be more than happy to work on the article improvement process with you, even if you only have an hour or so a day to do it. Let me know. Viriditas (talk) 21:50, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: - Thanks for your comments - and suggestions - seems interesting - very busy at the moment with other interests and concerns (mostly real-world) - but may consider this further at a better time - Thanks again - and - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 00:05, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination of Peekaboo Galaxy for deletion

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A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Peekaboo Galaxy is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Peekaboo Galaxy until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article until the discussion has finished.

XOR'easter (talk) 23:18, 27 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pleistocene human diet

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I'm assuming this was a mistake or error of some kind.[1] I've removed it. If you have a link to a better source, I would be happy to consider adding it. Viriditas (talk) 16:53, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

My best guess is that you intended to add a link to the article and somehow added the link to your comment instead. While I completely agree with the sentiments expressed in the article (last time I ate meat was in 1987), I don't think it fits the topic as an op/ed. Just FYI... the only reason I became aware of it was because of the discussion on Talk:Pleistocene human diet where someone pointed it out. Viriditas (talk) 16:59, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Viriditas: - Thank you for this - yes - such an edit/ref should *not* be there of course (for a variety of good WikiReasons) (hopefully there's no other such refs - please rv/rm/del/adj/ce edits/refs if any others may show up) - a better related reference may be here instead[1] - should be ok - let me know if otherwise of course - iac - Thanks again - and - Stay Safe and Healthy !! - Drbogdan (talk) 17:52, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just removed or fixed ten articles with similar problems. You can see it in my contribution list. I partially blame myself here, because I saw you putting together the NYT comment list on your talk page way back when, and I thought to myself, "what's the harm, the community will vote to delete it anyway", but I see it has slightly gone beyond that. Not sure what you were thinking here, but my man, I love you to bits, but please, put the brakes on this kind of thing immediately. Viriditas (talk) 20:27, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, all that aside, I thought this might cheer you up: AnomieBOT is rooting for you! Hope you find that amusing, because I did. Viriditas (talk) 20:37, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Viriditas: - Thank You *very much* for your help with this - yes - *completely* agree - such edit/refs should not be added at all in any way whatsoever - right after your earlier post, I wondered if there were other instances, and tried to do several searches (mostly via => https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1&ns1=1&ns2=1&ns3=1&ns4=1&ns5=1&ns6=1&ns7=1&ns8=1&ns9=1&ns10=1&ns11=1&ns12=1&ns13=1&ns14=1&ns15=1&ns100=1&ns101=1&ns118=1&ns119=1&ns710=1&ns711=1&ns828=1&ns829=1 ), but none showed up at the time - so I thought there were no other instances of this - guess you may have had a better way of searching for this - Thanks again for your efforts with this - it's *greatly* appreciated - Drbogdan (talk) 20:46, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

Hey, just saw you were one of the leading (active) contributors of the article. I was hoping to take it for a GA review. Care to join? If it passes, it can join Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 as a Good topic. Thanks and happy editing. — The Herald (Benison) (talk) 08:10, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jeffrey Leiden updates

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Hi Drbogdan, I work for Jeffrey Leiden, the executive chairman of Vertex Pharmaceuticals, and I am trying to update his page. I noticed that you made edits to the Vertex page in the past, so I’m hoping you’ll be interested in taking a look at the edit request I’ve posted here. Another editor has already implemented the last bullet point in the request, would you be willing to implement the remaining three edits? Thank you, JohnDatVertex (talk) 15:21, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 2024: Blocked from editing

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To enforce the outcome of a community discussion at the administrators' incidents noticeboard, you have been blocked from editing. Please see this discussion for further information. This block is indefinite, meaning only that it will not automatically expire, it can only be removed if you successfully appeal. In order to do so you will need to convince the community that you understand the reason[s] why you were blocked, and explain how you will change your editing approach so that your future edits will not continue to be disruptive. Please see the blocking policy and the guide to appealing blocks. The message below is a standard template informing you of your block and with courtesy links for more information.

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Thank you. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:32, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Don't let it throw you

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I hope this solves climate change and brings us some rain.

Hopefully you will not stop editing Wikipedia because it was your turn to be tossed into the volcano. Happens quite a bit, editors turn on someone once they are "taken" to ANI. Up to this point you've had no blocks, and the standard route for active editors is to give an initial 24-hour block, then 31, then a week or something, and then maybe they'll be tossed overboard. They took you from 0 to indef. My personal experience with your edits has been a case of looking forward to them, as I know you report new science and space related topics fairly soon after they happen. As for now, an indef is just that, indefinite. A few weeks or a couple months may be beneficial or may not be - you may totally realize that Wikipedia is yours as much as anyone's and come back strong, or you may break the addiction and get on with the next chapter. Have you got a book lurking within you that you haven't had time for? Again, thanks for your work here, and I hope there's more to come. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And, Drbogdan, if you do decide to pursue the WP:Standard offer you will have learnt to make a major change to your approach to editing Wikipedia. That is expected before you can come back. DeCausa (talk) 22:43, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DeCausa, the "offer" includes waiting six months, which is certainly not set in stone. Plenty of indef's have ended much earlier than that. What I was saying is that a 31 hour or three-day block is often enough to mark and provide a major change in editing habits, and going from no blocks in an editor's long-time Wikipedia career to indef does not seem at all like the norm, and comes across more like a pile-on. Randy Kryn (talk) 22:48, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's your opinion, but, in my opinion, you are misleading Drbogdan. Because of the issues raised and Drbogdan's non-responsiveness to those issues when put to him, it will take some persuading of the community to lift the CBAN. It all hangs on how Drbogdan responds (if indeed he wants to come back). If it's anything like how he responded at the ANI thread, he won't be back. I don't think it's helpful to him (if he wishes to come back) to underplay that. DeCausa (talk) 22:58, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not underplaying it, but, once again, to impose an indef as a first block is usually reserved for vandals, nogoodniks, and thirty edit know-it-alls. This is not the case here, and "the community' would be better served if it learned not to pile on in the future. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:24, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with @DeCausa, this feels like potentially misleading Drbogdan. It’s an unusual situation to jump to an indef from nothing, but it’s one that was done with universal community consensus except the two people here downplaying it in response to a situation that itself was highly unusual. Typically someone with Drbogdan’s editing habits would have been blocked long ago and it’s pretty much impossible to argue that he wasn’t warned considering the long string of editors asking him to improve his editing and tone down the disruptiveness. As was pointed out in the ANI, no editors really believed that anything short of an indef was going to result in poor editing being stopped.
We understand your perspectives, but it’s a bit disingenuous to present the indef here as some sort of overreach when it was a community decision arrived at after a long line of bad behaviour going back at least a decade. It’s unreasonable to present this as a pile on rather than the good faith conclusion of the best course of action by a large number of unrelated editors, and if Drbogdan appeals his indef on the grounds of this being an unreasonable pile-on I think his appeal with be very quickly rejected. He, and to an extent both of you (@Viriditas), need to try to understand why the community spoke with one voice here. Your perspectives represent a slim minority of editors who engaged with that ANI, it’s not really reasonable to present your perspectives as some sort of co-valid minority report to a user who was indeffed on behavioural grounds.
he’s going to need to demonstrate an understanding of what lead to the indef that this sort of whitewashing is going to be mutually exclusive with. I think Drbogdan is capable of contributing positively if he’s willing to come back and learn how to improve his edits substantially, but you both need to shake the notion that this indef was overly harsh and out of line; it’s a perfectly reasonable and consistent response for what is effectively long term promotional vandalism and low quality editing on Wikipedia. Even if you personally don’t agree with that, it’s where the consensus lies and it’s what Drbogdan is going to need to directly address to return to an editing career.
I don’t think either of you are actually helping here, as much as I understand your desire to express sympathy. The results of the ANI were decided with consensus, this isn’t the place to continue arguing against that consensus. I also don’t want this to turn into a forumesque fight, so I’ll probably leave my response here as-is and not engage much further. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 06:24, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The closing admin characterised the ANI discussion as having taken a turn to personal attacks. Reopening the discussion here does seem undue. The initial comment here is good faith encouragement to return. And return is definitely possible, as the major reason the indef could not be argued against was the WP:HEAR issue. JackTheSecond (talk) 11:52, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I really don’t agree, unfortunately I think it looks like the initial comment is basically saying it was mob justice and not warranted:
it was your turn to be tossed into the volcano. Happens quite a bit
Drbogdan probably doesn’t get out of this without a sincere recognition of how his promotional and low quality editing was a problem, and editors reopening grievances with the consensus in ANI by both implying it was unreasonable and attempting to legalistically work around it are not doing him or Wikipedia any favours. It doesn’t particularly feel appropriate to bring up in this way here immediately following a pretty broad consensus of misbehaviour.
The two editors doing this were both in the ANI saying they didn’t really see the problem, which is itself somewhat problematic considering how cut and dry the issues were to most people. Even here they’re somewhat misrepresenting the ANI discussions and conclusion (for example, the promotional issue wasn’t the “100+ publications” thing, that was just a symptom of a larger problem of editing in his own news comments as sources themselves and his habit of linking everything he could back to his Wikipedia user page), and if Drbogdan accepts their version of events as fact he’s probably not getting editing privileges back.
But I’ll leave it at that. We shouldn’t be rehashing the ANI that was closed for concerns of it devolving into personal attacks here. Warrenᚋᚐᚊᚔ 12:21, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Warrenmck You... kind of did not disagree with anything I myself actually said. And you are well-into the process of rehashing the ANI. JackTheSecond (talk) 12:38, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, by personal attacks I was referring to a few late comments in the straw poll towards the bottom of the discussion which were leaning hard into casting aspersions on Drbogdan's character and assuming bad faith, not the general discussion of their actions which led to the sanction. I don't see anything wrong with discussing the issues here, except consider that Drbogdan is probably getting an email every time someone leaves a comment here but has not replied. A kinder approach may be to leave them alone until they indicate they're ready to talk about it. And just in case it's a point of confusion: blocked editors are allowed to edit their own talk pages to discuss their sanctions. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:30, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Warrenmck: @Randy Kryn: when an established user gets blocked, it’s a witch hunt; when a some 3-edit rando gets blocked, there is justice Dronebogus (talk) 05:39, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
persuading of the community to lift the CBAN. Is it a CBAN? I don't recall the word banned being mentioned in the discussion or the close.
If it is a community imposed indefinite block, can any admin just accept the unblock request once DrBogdan composes an unblock request showing a sufficient and convincing amount of behavioral reform? –Novem Linguae (talk) 23:38, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. The indef wasn't imposed by a "decision" of an admin - it was a community indef decision executed on the community's behalf by an admin. I assume that that makes it a CBAN whether or not the word "ban" was used - but I could be wrong on that. What's the answer? DeCausa (talk) 23:44, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've created Wikipedia talk:Banning policy#Are "site bans", "CBANs", and "indefinitely blocked by the community" all the same thing? to get clarification on this matter. I think it is important to clarify this 1) to improve the clarity of the banning policy, and 2) to let Drbogdan know exactly what the correct unblock procedure is. –Novem Linguae (talk) 00:58, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, as I (and others) said in that thread it is pretty clear from the policy that this is a CBAN. Note also that Ivanvector in in his block notice above says to successfully appeal Drbogdan will need to convince the community. DeCausa (talk) 08:49, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The only policy that gives the community authority to sanction an editor is the banning policy, thus by definition all community sanctions are bans. Blocks are a separate technical tool which administrators use to prevent disruption, and since edits in violation of a ban are presumed disruptive, site-banned editors are also normally blocked. By policy there is no difference at all between an editor "indefinitely blocked by the community" and "banned by the community", but there has been resistance to referring to editors in the first scenario as "banned" because of negative connotations associated with a ban, so many admins avoid saying that part out loud. As far as appeal process: sanctions imposed by the community need to be reviewed by the community; admins do not have authority to overrule consensus. There's not a set procedure for that, but typically a banned/blocked editor posts an {{unblock}} request on their talk page and asks for it to be copied to WP:AN, where the community discusses. There is no waiting period: if the banned editor believes they can make a convincing appeal five minutes after their ban is enacted they're free to do so. The standard offer (where six months comes from) is our statement of principle that no sanction is permanent and every editor has an opportunity to improve and appeal, though there are of course many seriously malicious actors who are functionally permanently banned. Drbogdan is a long way off from that, and I hope to see them back to editing soon. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:18, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Addressing community concerns

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Drbogdan, the Wikipedia community is concerned about your editing habits. Some editors have expressed concerns with your "My 100+ Publications" list up above which implies they are peer-reviewed publications, when in fact they are comments you made in the NYT. Some editors have expressed their opinion that this is a form of self-promotion, and is misleading. I honestly don't care what people do with their user pages as long as it isn't explicitly attacking other people or intentionally denigrating people as a class, sex, race, etc., so it's never bothered me. I'm more of a live and let live kind of person in that regard, but the community doesn't accept what you're doing with the NYT comments and how you are using them here. I think a good first step in getting on the right track is to simply remove and delete all this material and all the links to it. Of course, that's only a first step, and really, just a baby step. A better approach is to completely revamp your pages and remove anything remotely perceived as promotional. I admit, this is not something I ever perceived before, nor is it something that concerns me, but you have to begin to address these concerns as they are important to others. Viriditas (talk) 00:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note, I've started a discussion about the use of science-related press releases here. You may want to keep an eye on it as it directly pertains the type of edits you make. Viriditas (talk) 01:02, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]