Talk:Peter Cosgrove/Archive 1

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Image

I noticed the current image which is fair use replaced the previous image which was a free image. The new image may seem more encyclopedic, but the old image is not too bad and may be better since it shows a photo that a wikipedia editor has taken, rather than one copied from a site. Perhaps both could be used in the article? --Astrokey44 09:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Larry

The cyclone did not devastate the northern Queensland coast but rather the region surrounding Innisfail. Northern Queensland is a region with a massive coastline that a single cyclone could not devastate as a whole.

Bulletin articles and book

We had a references section with one item, a link to an article in The Bulletin. Unfortunately, that link is dead. (In fact, all older URLs of the form http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/bulletin/site/articleIDs/01BD9A608862B528CA25714B0006FF58 are now dead; the Bulletin website now uses URLs of the form http://bulletin.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=138289.) This Google search finds all the Bulletin articles containing "Cosgrove" and "Peter Daley".

It turns out that the article ("Cyclone Cosgrove" by Paul Daley[1], 18-Apr-2006) is now available here. I've edited the article to use that link as a cite for Cosgrove not going into politics nor to Yarralumla.

Some of the other links found by that Google search are probably also useful. For instance, Cosgrove's last stand (by Paul Daley, 19-Jan-2005) looks very useful ... except that the first half is missing. (Lost in the transition to the new website layout?) Arrgh.

I've also mentioned his (rather good) autobiography, My Story, which is currently on the Australian bestseller lists. I've just read it, which is what brought me to this article. Cheers, CWC 14:06, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Did I say "pissoff"? I should have said "ur annoying". CWC 12:47, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

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Corrected PalawanOz (talk) 11:59, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Medals

Why are his New Zealand, US, South Korea and Singapore medals worn on his uniform, but not those from France or Portugal? S4119292 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Department of Defence Directorate of Honours and Awards policy for Foreign Awards is located here. In short, it is up to the individual recipient to apply for permission for the award to be worn, and then for the Directorate to determine approval, or not. Rangasyd (talk) 10:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

NEVER let the truth get in the way of a good story!

Quote:

His famous exchange with ABC anchor caused a scandal back in 1994.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: So, General Cosgrove, what things are you going to teach these young boys when they visit your base?
GENERAL COSGROVE: We're going to teach them climbing, canoeing, archery and shooting.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible, isn't it?
GENERAL COSGROVE: I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the rifle range.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
GENERAL COSGROVE: I don't see how. We will be teaching them proper rifle discipline before they even touch a firearm.
FEMALE INTERVIEWER: But you're equipping them to become violent killers.
GENERAL COSGROVE: Well, Ma'am, you're equipped to be a prostitute, but you're not one, are you?
The radio went silent and the interview ended.

Nice story. Total fabrication,
First, in 1994, Cosgrove wasn't even a Brigadier (yet), much less a General.
This story has a LONG and varied history, and has been around in one form or another at least since the start of the web.

And if the mood takes you:

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:39, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Succession box/nav box

Please explain why we need both? The information contained within is the same. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:06, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Because, as I said, they do not say identical things, and they serve different purposes. It's past midnight here - I will reply in detail later today. Pdfpdf (talk) 15:11, 6 May 2013 (UTC)
No, they contain the same information. Perhaps, instead of saying the same thing time after time after time, you could actually tell me what the different purposes are? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:13, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

CNZM

He was awarded the Companion of the New Zealand Order of Merit but we don't show the CNZM postnominal. Is there a good reason why not? -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 05:00, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Not too sure. In all official mentions of Cosgrove, there is no use of his CNZM post-nominal. Department of Defence Directorate of Honours and Awards policy for Foreign Awards is located here. The only thing that I can interpret from that page that may make sense re CNZM is "Once applications are received at DH&A, they are assessed to determine if the medal/s have an equivalent within the Australian honours and awards system, in accordance with Government policy...." Given that AC is equivalent, it would "outrank" CNZM, and either Cosgrove may have not sought approval for it to be used as a postnom; or endorsement/approval may not have been given. I've upgraded importance from Low to High; in view of impending appointment as Governor-General of Australia. Rangasyd (talk) 10:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
I believe New Zealand citizenship is required for use.Nford24 (Want to have a chat?) 05:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Yep, no entitlement to postnominals from foreign awards. --Oliver Nouther (talk) 06:23, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Then why is John Howard an OM AC SSI and not a plain AC? And why is Bob Hawke an AC GCL rather than a plain AC? The UK, the Solomon Islands and Papua New Guinea are all foreign nations. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 07:54, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
The OM is recognised in the Order of wearing Australian Honours and Awards; but no mention of SSI. Yes, the UK, the Solomon Islands and Papua New Guinea are all foreign nations; and all members of the Commonwealth of Nations, as is New Zealand; which does nothing to help understand the disparity. Rangasyd (talk) 10:39, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Most external official references to Howard and Hawke omit the SSI and GCL, so maybe we're in error by showing them. Whitlam is also AC GCL QC. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 11:22, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
I've now refreshed my memory about Talk:John Howard/Archive 18#Postnominals (2009), which included a link to Talk:List of post-nominal letters#Post-nominals from more than one country (2008), which seems to answer the Cosgrove issue (CNZM to be used only in NZ contexts), but the bigger picture issue seems to have remained unresolved all this time. Maybe it's time to revive it. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 11:35, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
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