Talk:Eric Hosmer/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 06:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

I will review this article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:38, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

• Please update this. Did he play on opening day? Is he a starter for the 2012 team?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:41, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

He is, I'm stuck in two other reviews as well so give me a few days. Thanks Secret ^account 14:11, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

• Also find some 2012 baseball previews with mentions of this guy. I can't imaging sports periodicals don't have something to say about him.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:01, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
• Has he been on any interesting covers? If so see Jeremy_Lin#.22Linsanity.22.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:04, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
  • P.S. forgive me for comparing him to Lin, but if he is being compared to Bo Jackson he might be on some important baseball previews or something. I never heard of the guy before chancing upon this article so I don't know what is out there.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:23, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Basketball is usually way more over-hyped then baseball, like Lin for example so Hosmer wouldn't meet that criteria of getting multiple SI covers and such. But there's still many other publications that covered him so I will try to add the most important, but after I finish with the Curt Roberts GA review. Secret ^account 19:56, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
    • I recall an up and coming Royals phenom Clint Hurdle being on the cover of SI, but I agree, that Hosmer probably wasn't. The Borders in my neighborhood is closed so I have not seen any baseball preview covers. Don't know who is important anymore. If ARod or Pujols is no longer the important cover boy, I probably would not recognize the person who is. However, I would not even recognize Matt Kemp or Clayton Kershaw and I consider myself a Dodger fan. I think I have lost touch with baseball. Who is the Dodger's closer? I could not even guess who was the Cubs or WSox opening day starter here in Chicago this year.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:24, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:LEAD

• This article is in grave danger of failing WP:WIAGA for lack of completeness.
• I am guessing that anyone who was this highly sought after was a high school phenom. Anyone this young has readily available sources to back that up. This is a guy who was surely a high school All-American and possibly high school national player of the year by several sources. He was almost certainly high school state player of the year by many.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
• Tell us about his achievements in the Florida High School Athletic Association. Does he hold any state records or championships.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
  • I mentioned a state championship, but I couldn't find anything that he holds any state records, and I doubt it also that he does. Secret ^account 15:02, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
• I have never done a baseball phenom, but I am the main author of Jabari Parker. I spend a lot of time scouring Google News, ESPN HS and USA Today for awards. I don't expect you to create a high school section like that for this guy. This guy likely should have a high school section like my most recent biographical creation LaVell Blanchard. He may have even been a multisport star. Something like Ryan Van Bergen or Ryan Boyle. Fill in Baseball America and ESPN HS content.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
• Was he an American Baseball Coaches Association HS All-American? What about a Rawlings Preseason All-American? Florida Sportswriters All-American or All-state?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
• Find out the domain name for the local publication(s) that covered his career. For Parker I do the following google news searches often
  • "Jabari Parker" site:chicagotribune.com and "Jabari Parker" site:chicagosuntimes.com. Also try site:espn.go.com
  • Use article like http://espn.go.com/blog/high-school/baseball/post/_/id/1188/patriots-look-to-rejoin-nations-elite http://www.usatoday.com/sports/preps/baseball/2008-04-09-Hosmer_N.htm http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2096 http://padres.scout.com/a.z?s=315&p=8&c=1&nid=5083971 http://miamiherald.typepad.com/hssports/2008/03/south-florida-h.html http://miamiherald.typepad.com/.services/blog/6a00d83451b26169e200d834e0a97669e2/search?filter.q=Eric+Hosmer--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Comment This is an encyclopedia. We present a neutral summary. We don't just give the good news. The fact that a lot of scouts listed him top 5 is great. However, don't neglect Scout.com (link above), which only listed him as the 7th best 1st basemen. Omitting this makes me question the neutrality of the article. Give us the good and the bad.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:15, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
      • I've added it but only the seventh best first baseman out of 4500 minor leaguers playing in the minor? That's a significant achievement and usually in the minor league system players who were in Single A (like Hosmer was) at the time that list was added are usually never ranked that high. That's not a neutrality problem, and there isn't any source that I found that mentions Hosmer as an "average" prospect. He's currently struggling right now with the Royals which I mentioned, but none of the media is attacking him just yet. The remaining Scout.com sources are either minor passing mentions, information stated here, or behind a paywall. Secret ^account 16:54, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
        • I don't do much baseball work these days. I had thought that the 7th was a high school ranking. For football and basketball they only do high school prospect rankings. I thought that 7th at 1st base was in contrast to his top 5 overall rankings by other sources.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:17, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
          • Ahh I left a message on your talk page to explain baseball media better before I saw this comment. Secret ^account 00:24, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't know what all the early career stuff at http://www.perfectgame.org/Search.aspx?search=Eric%20Hosmer means. Figure it out.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
• I didn't want to do into full detail about high school, but from the sources I found he focused only on baseball in high-school and I saw some All-City awards and a participation in the 2007 AFLAC All American Classic, 2007 Rawlings High School Gold Glove winner (both of which I will mention) but he didn't have any major high school awards or even named to an high-school All-American squad, which is just baffling considering an high-school player his caliber. Connie Mack award isn't a significant award, neither is "state player of the year award" by the local newspaper. I even checked my newly HighBeam, and I couldn't just find anything extra. I will update the article a bit though. Secret ^account 14:01, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Actually, the fact that he was not named to any major A-A teams is encyclopedic. Look at what I did with John Shurna or Jake Long. In fact, not being great early is a big part of the story with Anthony Davis (basketball). Summarize what you find. I think in sports where Scout.com, Rivals.com and ESPN.com recruiting rankings are available they should be included. ESPN is just starting baseball with the class of 2012, but I dug up Scout and Rivals for you. Add a box like at Shurna, except it will look more like Jabari Parker's since he never declared a college. I've done a lot of guys who were semi unknown in high school (such that they were not even rated by all the major sources (Shurna, Tim Hardaway Jr., and Jordan Kovacs). You still should summarize what you find.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:34, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
    • Comment Recruit boxes are a new thing for baseball. We have been using them for basketball and football bios for a while. Try adding one.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:31, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
      • If scout is not a recruit rating, but rather a prospect rating this won't work.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:24, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Also, one of those articles mentioned the names of his family members and another mentioned a state championship. WP is a summary repository for information. Summarize whatever is out there. If there is press on him going back to 2005, summarize it. What ever it is? Even if he was as far down the totem pole as Kovacs who had to be a walk-on.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:34, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Also the Herald blog mentions an All-State selection.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:05, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
  • I should expand his early career today, I just got HighBeam access through the Wikipedia program, but I don't have (and never had even through my school) LexisNexis where Miami Herald archives are. Secret ^account 19:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
    • What is wrong with the Herald blog link above.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:39, 16 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Nevermind, I'm surprised that link wasn't archived like 99% of their content, I should start working on it tonight. Secret ^account 21:57, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Early life

• "Both sides agreed with a contract ten minutes before the signing dateline for drafted players on August 15, 2008." is ungramattical. Change with to to.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:59, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Minor leagues

• "where he helped led the team to a Texas League championship." -> where he helped lead the team to a Texas League championship.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:59, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
• Have you incorporated all the honors on his MLB.com bio page?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:59, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
  • Why only one of two Rookie of the Month awards?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:30, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Been an over stressful week at work, nearly all my edits the past week came from an IPad in which I have at work, I will fix it by the concerns by this weekend. Secret ^account 18:04, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

• • I mentioned the second rookie of the month award, let me know of any more concerns so me or Muboshgu can take care of it. Thanks Secret ^account 05:34, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Kansas City Royals (2011–present)

• I don't understand the Butler thing? Probably not really relevant.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:55, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
• Please add some 2012 content. I am especially curious about opening day and whether he is an everday starter.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:55, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Personal life

• I think one of the stories above has the father's name, which needs to be in this article.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:55, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Kansas City Royals first baseman Eric Hosmer.jpg needs {{personality rights}}--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm slowly working though your concerns, I did some early life expansion today, and I'm going to look at another source or two before finishing tomorrow or Monday. I will also do a quick expansion of the 2012 season, though not a game by game mention as it's frowned upon in our guidelines, and in WP:BASEBALL in particular. Thanks Secret ^account 05:56, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

• 2012 needn't be extensive. Game-by-game would be overkill. I just ant to know what his current status is and whether he played opening day.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:53, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

I think I took care of all your concerns, it might need a minor copyediting but that's about it, let me know of other concerns you have so I could take care of it quickly. Thanks Secret ^account 05:29, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

? Secret ^account 05:12, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

I'll join in the editing of this article by tomorrow. I'll see if there are any changes I think should be made. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:23, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes my schedule gotten much more busier lately, I"ll see if I could take care of concerns as well, but it looks like I might become inactive for a while. Secret ^account 20:18, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

Did File:Andy Fletcher, Vladimir Guerrero, Eric Hosmer.jpg get added later to the article. I don't know how I missed this before. It also needs {{personality rights}}.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:16, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Done. I've never heard of that template before. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:46, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for all the hard work. This article is quite improved. I am going to PASS it now.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:22, 4 May 2012 (UTC)