Talk:Doctor Who series 14/Archive 2

Archive 1

Archive 2

Episode titles and articles

1. Space Babies (draft)
2. The Devil's Chord (draft)
3. Boom (Doctor Who) (draft)
4. 73 Yards (draft)
5. Dot and Bubble (draft)
6. Rogue (Doctor Who) (draft)
7. The Legend of Ruby Sunday (draft)
8. Empire of Death (Doctor Who episode) (draft)
9. Joy to the World (Doctor Who) (draft)

-- Alex_21 _TALK 01:05, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

Based on the continued existance of Empire of Death, the finale will likely end up at Empire of Death (Doctor Who episode) per WP:NCEPISODE, while the former article will need to be moved to Empire of Death (Doctor Who novel), similar to Thin Ice (Doctor Who episode) and Thin Ice (Doctor Who audio). -- Alex_21 _TALK 01:13, 1 April 2024 (UTC)  Done -- Alex_21 _TALK 08:10, 17 April 2024 (UTC)

Should pre-existing information be filled in on these drafts? E.g. current casting announcements? I notice the transmission dates are already listed on the articles for instance Estaphel (talk) 16:20, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely, I've only just created the bare bones for that sort of thing, so please do. -- Alex_21 _TALK 23:11, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

I was thinking of sending the empire of death novel to AFD assuming it gets deleted the draft should be moved to Empire of Death (Doctor Who)? Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 02:04, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Given that the AFD has closed as a merge, the disambiguation should remain the same, with a hatnote pointing towards the list location of the novel. -- Alex_21 _TALK 21:07, 16 May 2024 (UTC)

@Alex 21: I've moved the draft to (Doctor Who). The hat note needs to be adjusted once the merger is done. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 00:35, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@OlifanofmrTennant Despite my saying the exact opposite? The disambiguation is still required; there is still another element of Doctor Who called Empire of Death, so the "episode" disambiguation is needed. I'll move it back presently. -- Alex_21 _TALK 06:37, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

My instinct was to agree with Alex on this one, but looking over WP:NCDAB I'm a bit more confused. Shouldn't we be using Empire of Death (episode) where possible, only adding 'Doctor Who' if there is another episode that needs disambiguating from (which there is not)? U-Mos (talk) 07:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:NCEPISODE, we disambiguate with the television series, and disambiguate further with "episode/character/element" when necessary. Where the title is the same as an episode, character, or other element from the show, disambiguate further using Article title (Show Title episode/character/element). We can see this in Thin Ice (Doctor Who episode) (Thin Ice (Doctor Who audio) is a redirect), Dalek (Doctor Who episode) (Dalek (Doctor Who) is a redirect to disambiguation), and Rose (Doctor Who episode) (Rose (Doctor Who) is a disambiguation page). A non-Who example would be Winterfell (Game of Thrones episode) (Winterfell (Game of Thrones) is a redirect). -- Alex_21 _TALK 08:07, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Well that's alright then! However, When the other element does not have its own article, further disambiguation is generally not necessary. However, always use common sense and best judgment to prevent ambiguity... is noted there, so I don't think we can begrudge a discussion to establish the best common sense route. U-Mos (talk) 08:16, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

A discussion I'm absolutely happy to participate in. I still question @OlifanofmrTennant's choice to read my comment saying the disambiguation is necessary, and then respond to it, ignore my comment and immediately move the article. -- Alex_21 _TALK 11:06, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

The thing is the other Doctor Who thing isn't notable. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:43, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Okay? It still exists. See the Thin Ice example I provided twice. -- Alex_21 _TALK 22:29, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

I found Draft:Joy to the World (Doctor Who episode) had also been created, I redirected to the draft mentioned above. TheDoctorWho (talk) 03:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

@TheDoctorWho Fantastic, thanks for that. The "episode" disambiguation is definitely not needed here. -- Alex_21 _TALK 07:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn't the drafts for Space Babies and the Devil's Chord be moved to the mainspace now? They certainly look ready for it. Panda815 (talk) 14:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done -- Alex_21 _TALK 22:34, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

@Alex 21: (or any other page mover), Dot and Bubble is probably ready for the mainspace. Ideally it still needs an expanded plot, but the production and critical response sections are solid. TheDoctorWho (talk) 19:39, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done -- Alex_21 _TALK 23:07, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

Millie Gibson introduced as the new companion

I find it misleading that the text refers to the "introduction" of Millie Gibson, but phrases Ncuti Gatwa as "stars in." This is misleading because it implies this in actress Gibson's first role. It is not her first role. She was a much-loved character in Coronation Street for many years. The text should be changed to read "Also co-stars Millie Gibson as..." Mhk-who (talk) 21:33, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Context: The Fifteenth Doctor was introduced in "The Giggle" (2023)...The series also introduces Millie Gibson as the Doctor's newest companion, Ruby Sunday. DonQuixote (talk) 21:43, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

The phrase does not mean the series introduces Gibson to the world, but to the show. It's a very commonly used phrase – see, for example Doctor Who series 11: The series introduces Jodie Whittaker as the Thirteenth Doctor and The series also introduces Bradley Walsh, Tosin Cole, and Mandip Gill as the Doctor's newest travelling companions. Irltoad (talk) 21:45, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Good point. It is consistent with phrasing in other new character elements. However, being consistent doesn't make it correct. In the film industry the use of the word "introduce" means the audience is seeming the actor for the very first time and is generally not applied to a new character. But as it is consistently used to mean actor/character hear, I will accept it. Mhk-who (talk) 21:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

"joins the cast" would be better than "introduce" 2407:7000:9DD5:BF00:796E:4115:6D02:7434 (talk) 21:21, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

This series introduced an entirely new cast. There is no cast to "join" as such; it introduced a new Doctor and a new companion. -- Alex_21 _TALK 00:04, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

number of episodes aired

I counted 6 episodes/6 stories aired with the new Docctor and companion, "The Church on Ruby Road," "Space Babies," "The Devil's Chord," "Boom," "73 Yards," "Dot and Bubble" (aired June 1st). Are you not counting the first episode? WordwizardW (talk) 13:23, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Specials aren't counted for any series. Indagate (talk) 13:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@WordwizardW Do you see the number in the "Number in series" column, the second one? -- Alex_21 _TALK 22:43, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Which skips the first episode - despite the Disney+ episode having the 2023 special as episode 1. Nfitz (talk) 00:06, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

And despite every other source not calling the special episode 1. It's interesting how the "official" sources are quoted in specific scenarios, and are completely ignored in other matters... -- Alex_21 _TALK 03:01, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

It's funny how the 2023 episode is selectively included as part of this season, but selectively excluded at other times - despite even BBC considering it not part of the season. Nfitz (talk) 02:46, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

You've had that explained to you a multitude of times. It's not a part of this season, it is simply listed as such for convenience, same as the dozen-odd seasonal specials that came before it, nor is it part of the 60th anniversary trio of specials. -- Alex_21 _TALK 06:33, 16 June 2024 (UTC)

Meanwhile BBC IPlayer has the 2023 special separate from Series 14 with Space Babies being Episode 1. It doesn't really matter either way, the status quo is fine enough as is. ThatRandomGuy1 (talk) 08:04, 10 June 2024 (UTC)