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This page provides a place to discuss new items for inclusion on In the news (ITN), a protected template on the Main Page (see past items in the ITN archives). Do not report errors in ITN items that are already on the Main Page here— discuss those at the relevant section of WP:ERRORS.

This candidates page is integrated with the daily pages of Portal:Current events. A light green header appears under each daily section - it includes transcluded Portal:Current events items for that day. You can discuss ITN candidates under the header.

Masoud Pezeshkian in June 2024
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Glossary

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  • Blurbs are one-sentence summaries of the news story.
    • Altblurbs, labelled alt1, alt2, etc., are alternative suggestions to cover the same story.
    • A target article, bolded in text, is the focus of the story. Each blurb must have at least one such article, but you may also link non-target articles.
  • Articles in the Ongoing line describe events getting continuous coverage.
  • The Recent deaths (RD) line includes any living thing whose death was recently announced. Consensus may decide to create a blurb for a recent death.

All articles linked in the ITN template must pass our standards of review. They should be up-to-date, demonstrate relevance via good sourcing and have at least an acceptable quality.

Nomination steps

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  • Make sure the item you want to nominate has an article that meets our minimum requirements and contains reliable coverage of a current event you want to create a blurb about. We will not post about events described in an article that fails our quality standards.
  • Find the correct section below for the date of the event (not the date nominated). Do not add sections for new dates manually - a bot does that for us each day at midnight (UTC).
  • Create a level 4 header with the article name (==== Your article here ====). Add (RD) or (Ongoing) if appropriate.
Then paste the {{ITN candidate}} template with its parameters and fill them in. The news source should be reliable, support your nomination and be in the article. Write your blurb in simple present tense. Below the template, briefly explain why we should post that event. After that, save your edit. Your nomination is ready!
  • You may add {{ITN note}} to the target article's talk page to let editors know about your nomination.

The better your article's quality, the better it covers the event and the wider its perceived significance (see WP:ITNSIGNIF for details), the better your chances of getting the blurb posted.

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Headers

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  • When the article is ready, updated and there is consensus to post, you can mark the item as (Ready). Remove that wording if you feel the article fails any of these necessary criteria.
  • Admins should always separately verify whether these criteria are met before posting blurbs marked (Ready). For more guidance, check WP:ITN/A.
    • If satisfied, change the header to (Posted).
    • Where there is no consensus, or the article's quality remains poor, change the header to (Closed) or (Not posted).
    • Sometimes, editors ask to retract an already-posted nomination because of a fundamental error or because consensus changed. If you feel the community supports this, remove the item and mark the item as (Pulled).

Voicing an opinion on an item

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Format your comment to contain "support" or "oppose", and include a rationale for your choice. In particular, address the notability of the event, the quality of the article, and whether it has been updated.

Please do...

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  1. Pick an older item to review near the bottom of this page, before the eligibility runs out and the item scrolls off the page and gets abandoned in the archive, unused and forgotten.
  2. Review an item even if it has already been reviewed by another user. You may be the first to spot a problem, or the first to confirm that an identified problem was fixed. Piling on the list of "support!" votes will help administrators see what is ready to be posted on the Main Page.
  3. Tell about problems in articles if you see them. Be bold and fix them yourself if you know how, or tell others if it's not possible.

Please do not...

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  1. Add simple "support!" or "oppose!" votes without including your reasons. Similarly, curt replies such as "who?", "meh", or "duh!" are not helpful. A vote without reasoning means little for us, please elaborate yourself.
  2. Oppose an item just because the event is only relating to a single country, or failing to relate to one. We post a lot of such content, so these comments are generally unproductive.
  3. Accuse other editors of supporting, opposing or nominating due to a personal bias (such as ethnocentrism). We at ITN do not handle conflicts of interest.
  4. Comment on a story without first reading the relevant article(s).
  5. Oppose a recurring item here because you disagree with the recurring items criteria. Discuss them here.
  6. Use ITN as a forum for your own political or personal beliefs. Such comments are irrelevant to the outcome and are potentially disruptive.

Suggesting updates

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There are two places where you can request corrections to posted items:

  • Anything that does not change the intent of the blurb (spelling, grammar, markup issues, updating death tolls etc.) should be discussed at WP:Errors.
  • Discuss major changes in the blurb's intent or very complex updates as part of the current ITNC nomination.
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July 13

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July 12

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RD: Billy Ibadulla

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Article: Billy Ibadulla (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Warwickshire County Cricket Club obit
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Death announced on 12 July. Article will need further updates to make it ready. Schwede66 23:54, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 11

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RD: Monte Kiffin

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Article: Monte Kiffin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

NFL coach. Needs some work. Natg 19 (talk) 00:41, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Aparna (television presenter)

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Article: Aparna (television presenter) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1] [2]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Indian anchor and actress. mwwv converseedits 18:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready; many citations are missing. Schwede66 21:32, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Shelley Duvall

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Proposed image
Article: Shelley Duvall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
  • We don't do picture RDs, but go ahead and propose it if you want. Natg 19 (talk) 06:57, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We've posted a picture RD more than once. For example, see Kirk Douglas. And it's good to do this because otherwise we keep running the same picture day after day. For example, we're 12 days into the month but we've only posted 4 different pictures. Changing the picture every day like the other main page sections ought to be our goal and using RD pics is an easy way of achieving this. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:01, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This was four years ago, and I don't think we need to open another front of endless debate. _-_Alsor (talk) 09:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is already a discussion about this on the talk page, and unless there is a consensus to do picture RDs, there is no point asking for this. Natg 19 (talk) 16:17, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The general consensus of the talk page discussion seems to be that picture RDs are a good idea and should be posted when appropriate. So let's get on with it – nothing ventured, nothing gained. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:40, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Liederman

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Article: David Liederman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:11, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Nana Nuriana

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Article: Nana Nuriana (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [3]
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Former governor in Indonesia. Juxlos (talk) 03:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, with AGF for the offline Indonesian source backing up what it claims to back up. Schwede66 21:25, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 10

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Science and technology


RD: Dave Loggins

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Article: Dave Loggins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline, Variety
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American singer-songwriter. 240F:7A:6253:1:D121:B15C:C03A:6F95 (talk) 04:00, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Joe Engle

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Article: Joe Engle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Space.com
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

NASA astronaut. 240F:7A:6253:1:D121:B15C:C03A:6F95 (talk) 03:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Benji Gregory

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Article: Benji Gregory (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People, Deadline
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American actor. He was found dead on June 13, but his death was announced on this day. 240F:7A:6253:1:A864:DA97:9C83:9E71 (talk) 03:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Maxine Singer

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Article: Maxine Singer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Article updated and well sourced. Death announced on this day. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:42, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Don't see any issues, solid B-class (or maybe even GA) article in my opinion. Bremps... 23:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Other than an unreferenced date of birth, that looks solid. Schwede66 06:05, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Now fixed; support since article looks good. Staraction (talk | contribs) 06:14, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks good! Estreyeria (talk) 13:37, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
PostedSchwede66 23:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 9

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RD: Dan Collins (journalist)

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Article: Dan Collins (journalist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Staraction (talk | contribs) 03:28, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Diana Hill

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Article: Diana Hill (scientist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diana Hill obituary
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

New Zealand academic, and a full professor at the University of Otago. Article looks ok. Schwede66 04:49, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ariane 6

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Article: Ariane 6 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Ariane 6 makes a successful maiden flight. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
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The launch was initially planned for 2020, but was postponed until today. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:43, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Note that the flight was only mostly successful, with the upper-stage re-entry burn not taking place as scheduled. --Carnildo (talk) 22:04, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The article doesn't include any details on the launch except to say that it occurred. In more than one instance the tense hasn't even been updated to show that the launch is now in the past. If we're going to blurb this we need to include at least some prose on the details of the maiden launch, what succeeded, what failed, etc. Otherwise I believe the maiden launch of a space vehicle (especially a major one from a government agency like ESA) is ITNR so support once the article is fixed. 142.163.137.123 (talk) 00:02, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Maiden launches of rockets are not ITN/R, only the first launch by a country is. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:45, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yeah, upper stage appears to have failed a relight per ESA livestream. Worth mentioning in blurb? [osunpokeh/talk/contributions] 02:30, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean oppose on notability I can't recall any precedent on "new type of rocket is launched", and could see this right on the borderline of trivia. I could well be wrong though. This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It was ITNR until last year. -- KTC (talk) 19:51, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That it was removed suggests consensus against posting such things going forward This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a consensus that we'll judge each posting on its notability merit rather than assume merit and post every time (so long as quality of article). Removal from ITNR is not a "we'll never post it again". Your initial comment appears to suggest that you think new rocket type launch isn't something we post at all and that it's "borderline of trivia". The support for removal from ITNR are based on the increasing number of new rockets types launches with the advent of commercial space exploration/launches. Ariane isn't one of those commercial development/launch. It's a replacement of the workhorse launch system for the 22-member intergovernmental European Space Agency. -- KTC (talk) 08:08, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now, the flight itself (Ariane flight VA262) doesn't have its own article yet, which is a bit suboptimal. It did successfully send its payload to orbit, so it should be notable enough as a maiden flight (better than the perennial Starship test flights). Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree, having an article about the flight would be nice. I don't want us to end up with the same result as the German Wikipedia, who currently have the same blurb in their version of "in the news", with a link to the article about de:Ariane 6 that barely mentions the maiden launch with a single sentence. I don't want to mock the German Wikipedia, but this rocket was largely developed in Germany, and if not even de:Liste der Ariane-6-Raketenstarts has anything to say about how the flight went, I find that quite sad. Renerpho (talk) 03:24, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as nominated, since the launch wasn't really a "success", but would support with modifications. It did send its payload to orbit, it just failed to then de-orbit the second stage, which really is the main new innovation of the Da Vinci upper stage compared to what Ariane 5 did. I have no concerns about notability, just about how to put it into a neutral blurb. Renerpho (talk) 03:16, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ESA put a lot of weight on their "zero debris" policy, and on how Vinci was a big step in that direction. Even if the problem with this launch doesn't affect plans for the future (which remains to be seen), putting 600 kg of debris into an orbit that will need decades to decay doesn't look like a success to me. With how the news cycle is working, I'd wait until it is day again in Europe and in the US, to see if the news actually lean towards success, or failure. Renerpho (talk) 03:46, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    My local paper's article (mostly a reprint of one in the Orlando Sentinel) managed to avoid calling it either a "success" or a "failure". --Carnildo (talk) 06:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Cowards. Renerpho (talk) 10:40, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - this would be more supportable if the article linked on the target page for the "maiden flight" existed - Ariane flight VA262. Nfitz (talk) 12:41, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am not convinced by the current state of the article that this merits posting, as it does not look ready. Almost more text is devoted to this launchdate being delayed, than to a description of the flight itself. Said description is completely limited to a table entry. Needs work. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 13:00, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle - I would fully support this if the article was up to par, but the launch itself doesn't have it's own article, and the main A6 article only has a small exerpt in launch history regarding it. This is exciting though; Arianespace is a major player in launch vehicles. qw3rty 14:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose nothing notable or significant about this launch. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:21, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Joe Bonsall

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Article: Joe Bonsall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Tenor of the Oak Ridge Boys. rawmustard (talk) 17:40, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Some improvements but still tagged for uncited statements. Bremps... 23:58, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jim Inhofe

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Article: Jim Inhofe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Staraction (talk | contribs) 16:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support, given Inhofe was notable for both representing Oklahoma for decades and climate change denial. I would wait until the article has been finished being edited, given Inhofe recently died, but Inhofe merits inclusion in RD. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 16:28, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD. Curbon7 (talk) 05:31, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Heaps of orange maintenance tags. Schwede66 05:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not ready: Page has a lot of orange maintenance tags. Once does are gone I'll support it. Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 19:23, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - At least a half dozen orange tags need to be dealt with. Jusdafax (talk) 00:13, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

July 8

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RD: Andrejs Plakans

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Article: Andrejs Plakans (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NRA.lv
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Latvian American historian. Thriley (talk) 14:47, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Marina Kondratyeva

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Article: Marina Kondratyeva (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Bolshoi
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Russian ballerina. Thriley (talk) 18:36, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Leading ballerina of the Bolshoi Ballet, famous as the "airy" Giselle, who received gala events from the company on her birthdays. I'll give her more refs but not right now, also asked a speaker of Russian for help. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Women's high-jump WR

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Article: Yaroslava Mahuchikh (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In athletics, Yaroslava Mahuchikh breaks the 37-year-old women's high-jump world record (Post)
Alternative blurb: Yaroslava Mahuchikh breaks the women's high-jump world record with 2.10 m, which had not been broken for 37 years.
News source(s): AP

One of the longest-standing records in athletics, from 1987. Women's high jump world record progression 81.196.30.56 (talk) 01:56, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You don't seem to understand what "world" means. HiLo48 (talk) 02:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb1 article is in good condition, and it's notable because of how long the record stood; the altblurb reduces ambiguity, so that's why I prefer it over the original blurb. Unknown-Tree🌲? (talk) 05:29, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Altblurb article is in a good shape and breaking decades old record is blurbworthy. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:07, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. The target article doesn't have much of an update and has lots of uncited facts.
  2. Another athletics world record was broken at the same event – see Guardian
  3. This was a warm-up for the Olympics which we're about to run. I suppose more world records will be broken at that.
  4. The record has not been ratified and there can be technical objections.
  5. There are so many sports with so many stats that records are broken all the time. For example, Lewis Hamilton won the British Grand Prix on Sunday which extended his record of wins and was the first time a driver had won a race for the ninth time. At Wimbledon, there's an new amazing record. There was a recent record at the Tour de France which we didn't run. And so on...
Andrew🐉(talk) 07:30, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
From above "This is a notable world record which has been unbroken for 37 years." HiLo48 (talk) 07:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jumping as high as possible is probably a much more mainstream world record than having the most victories in which the winning tennis player came back from two sets to zero. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 08:03, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The cycling record had lasted for 55 years but we still didn't post it. These numbers seem fairly arbitrary and there will tend to be a natural plateau as sports are established and become mature. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC) (edit conflict)[reply]
If more people here understood Le Tour, we would have posted that cycling record, but comments made it obvious too many didn't and weren't interested in learning. HiLo48 (talk) 09:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is clearly less notable than Cavendish's record, as high jump has less news coverage than Le Tour. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:21, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The article needs a couple of references, especially in the awards sections (the awards articles are cited so this is easy to fix), and some sentences in the prose also need sources. Other than that, all fine. If I remember correctly, we post breaking of long-standing records in athletics, as well as breaking of 100m and marathon whenever they happen (been a while since Usain Bolt but marathon got broken a couple of times in the past decade). --Tone 08:26, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would be happy to support featuring this if the update was more extensive. I'd expect more details than "she broke the world record (2.10 metres) in high jump at the Wanda Diamond League in Paris." I imagine she didn't use a particularly different technique or anything, but surely we can write something about the five-second moment in which she made history? Perhaps even just an interview quote about how she felt about it? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I used to write extensive updates on world records in athletics but got fully disparaged after an unfortunate discussion last year, so I decided to give up on it indefinitely because there's simply no point to produce content that some people don't value.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 09:58, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That discussion last year was a very similar case – two world records being broken at the Meeting de Paris. We have a full article for this event – 2024 Meeting de Paris – which is more substantial and would make a better target than just one of the athletes. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:20, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am very sad to hear this. This was exactly what I was worried about. I have been active on this front-page feature because I hoped it would inspire people to write more detailed articles, but instead it only demotivates people who put the work in... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both on WP:ITNSIGNIF and WP:ITNQUALITY. Many world records get broken frequently and don't very often meet the significance to get posted- this has way less media coverage than Mark Cavendish breaking the Tour de France record last week, which didn't get consensus to post. And Mahuchikh's article and 2024 Meeting de Paris each have 2 sentences about it, which is not enough to meet the quality threshold. Picking this world record over any others (including the other one broken at the same event) would be arbitrary as it hasn't demonstrated enough coverage. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:24, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, "Many world records get broken frequently", but this one hasn't been. That sort of comment suggests you haven't read the previous discussion. It's quite unhelpful, AND irrelevant! 10:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HiLo48 (talkcontribs)
Over its complete history of 102 years, the average time between changes to this particular record seems to be about two years. Andrew🐉(talk) 14:19, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But this time it was 37 years!!!!!!!!!!!! You have, in fact, just highlighted why this record SHOULD be posted HiLo48 (talk) 23:38, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unsigned user comment- you have clearly ignored the fact that I pointed out this has not gained significant news coverage as needed for WP:ITNSIGNIF. Joseph2302 (talk) 18:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment In 2014 we posted breaking of 20-years old record in men's pole vault. Now the record was unbeaten for almost twice as long. --Jona 13:36, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Andrew and Joseph; this doesn't have nearly enough coverage or significance to warrant posting on ITN. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose how many sports disciplines are there? a few hundreds at least, right? And each presumably keeps track of more than 1 record. so what makes this any special? "one of the longest standing in athletics" doesnt cut it for me, esp given that it was achieved not that logn ago. I'd presume most records would have stopped around late 80-s if it wasnt for doping Kasperquickly (talk) 16:31, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as not sufficiently significant. JoseJan89 (talk) 18:06, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Altblurb For those saying the target articles need more updating, one is just an index of the previous records, and the other about the actual athlete contains several mentions of this new achievement. Not sure where else we'd need to add more in order to post. Schwinnspeed (talk) 22:55, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, a major legacy track and field record, no woman has ever jumped this high in open competition. Notable per time between record holders. Randy Kryn (talk) 23:48, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I'm generally biased against sports-related blurbs but I don't think this is important enough. The coverage seems pretty routine. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:29, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support if the blurb targets Women's high jump world record progression, which is what the story is about. Banedon (talk) 03:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There's no prose there at all, just data. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 06:47, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle - I think comparisons with the Tour de France stages record are unfair. In the high jump, you jump high. That's the objective. If you jump higher than anyone else in the competition, you win, and if you jump higher than anyone before, that's unambiguously the record. In the Tour de France, you're aiming for the lowest cumulative time, not the number of individual stages won. That's not to say the stages record isn't interesting (it is) or a great achievement (it is), but it's not raising the worldwide standard for the thing the contest actually measures, and this high jump record is. We also don't often post high jump and other athletics, relative to other sports, so it's a welcome bit of focus. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:56, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My apologies. I have updated my !vote to be clearer. GenevieveDEon (talk) 10:38, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment all these support votes are missing WP:ITNQUALITY: Yaroslava Mahuchikh has orange tagged sections, Women's high jump world record progression is just tables and uses one source (I have orange tagged it for that), 2024 Meeting de Paris has half a sentence on this world record. Regardless of the questionable WP:ITNSIGNIF, nobody has suggested a valid target article that meets ITNQUALITY by having a large update on this event and the article being good enough. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:32, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is only an improvement on the previous record by 1 cm (2.10 vs 2.09 m). Yes, its technically a new world's record, but it seems such a trivial gain in the larger picture. I also tend to agree that with as many track and field events and their individual records, its probably better to focus on the event and records broken rather than a singular one, unless that clearly smashed the previous record. --Masem (t) 12:07, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose I would support this if we weren't about to have the Olympics. I'm basically neutral, though, because there is a decent chance this will have rolled off in two weeks when we do post that. Kingsif (talk) 22:39, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Admin comment As long as the article has an orange maintenance tag, it's not going to hit the main page. Beyond that, I don't see consensus to post at this point anyway. Schwede66 05:58, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Question: As an Admin ddo you judge quality of comments? Some of the opposing arguments here are simply appalling and illogical HiLo48 (talk) 01:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely I do, HiLo48. Schwede66 04:18, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I can't speak for Schwede, nor am I an administrator, but I believe administrators are bound to honoring community consensus regardless of their personal opinion on the merits of the prevailing argument. For instance, administrator XYZ could find it ridiculous that people are arguing against the notability of a new record in the high jump (as you evidently do, and I personally agree that it is a notable record and worthy of a blurb), but if the overall consensus ultimately disagrees with XYZ's perspective, then XYZ has to accept and respect that. To do otherwise is to supervote, which goes against the decision-making process of the Wikipedia community and can be grounds for censure or even sanction.

Having said that, there are exceptions to this rule—for instance, when the consensus among participants in a discussion goes against widely-accepted Wikipedia policy. Say, for instance, a musician has an article listing each of their unreleased songs. The article is nominated for deletion for being "cruft" and people cite things like "WP:NOTINDISCRIMINATE" as a rationale for deletion. The consensus among participants is to delete, but the problem is that their rationales do not align with Wikipedia's inclusion policy; besides, the list itself is both well-written and adequately sourced, and was actually designated as a featured article at the time of the nomination. On that basis, the closing administrator determined that there was no consensus to delete the article despite the preponderance of votes against its inclusion, and his decision was upheld at WP:DRV. This is not a hypothetical situation, by the way—this was exactly what happened at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of unreleased Britney Spears songs. Yes, that discussion happened nearly 12 full years ago, but the principles adhered to at the time of its closure remain applicable today. Kurtis (talk) 05:13, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bur what we have here is a record that hadn't been broken for 37 years with somebody arguing against it because on average such records are broken every two years. That simply not logical, and must be ignored. HiLo48 (talk) 05:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC) HiLo48 (talk) 05:42, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
At this time of year, the breaking of sporting records seems to be a daily occurrence. I gave a few examples above and, in my own casual viewing since then, I've noticed youngest-ever goalscorer in men’s major tournament history and Wimbledon's longest women's semifinal. And public interest in those records seems significantly greater than the high jump one. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:59, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Given that this one hadn't been broken for 37 years, surely you can see how irrelevant that comment is. HiLo48 (talk) 07:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The previous youngest goal scorer was Pelé in 1958, so that's 66 years ago. Is the number of years significant? What's the magic number? Andrew🐉(talk) 08:34, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@HiLo48 and Schwede66: I'm going to disagree on the notion expressed above that admins should "judge the quality of comments" when assessing ITN consensus. Unlike other areas such as AFD and RM, where there are clearly-defined policies and guidelines at play, and closing admins use those as a lens through which to view the discussion, ITN has basically no rules. Other than quality requirements and those labelled as WP:ITN/R, and I suppose a basic requirement that a topic must be "in the news" there are no guidelines as to what is and isn't posted, and each story is judged by participants on its own merits. Ultimately, if editors aren't supporting this by giving it a clear majority of support votes then it won't be posted, regardless of how important you personally think it is.  — Amakuru (talk) 08:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I do disregard votes likes "provincial sports trivia"; stuff that is without any basis of fact. Why would I give any weight to that? Schwede66 10:22, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Bengt I. Samuelsson

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Article: Bengt I. Samuelsson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SVT
Credits:
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Swedish biochemist and Nobel laureate. 240F:7A:6253:1:95E7:6EC1:9755:1E3E (talk) 13:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose two orange tags. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:10, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jane McAlevey

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Article: Jane McAlevey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Staraction (talk | contribs) 02:25, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 French legislative election

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Article: 2024 French legislative election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The New Popular Front obtains a relative majority in the National Assembly following the 2024 French legislative election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The New Popular Front wins the most seats in the National Assembly following the 2024 French legislative election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The New Popular Front obtains a plurality in the National Assembly following the 2024 French legislative election.
Alternative blurb III: Prime Minister of France Gabriel Attal resigns after the New Popular Front obtains a plurality in the National Assembly following the 2024 legislative election.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ In the French legislative election the New Popular Front becomes the largest bloc in the National Assembly, but fails to win an overall majority
Alternative blurb V: ​ In France, the legislative election results in a hung parliament, with the New Popular Front obtaining a plurality.
News source(s): Le Monde
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Unexpected result, as the National Rally and their allies were originally predicted to get the most seats, but only came in third place after the NPF and Ensemble. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 20:08, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait. We still need a clearer idea of what the results were; this is a much murkier situation than last week's UK vote. (where Labour clearly won a decisive majority that lined up with expectations; contrast here where we have a surprise result) Also, given that even the article linked for "relative majority" itself is called Plurality, I would recommend the blurb actually use that to avoid confusion. Nottheking (talk) 21:57, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait the results sections is missing information once filled support Shadow4dark (talk) 20:22, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Propose ALTV unless a government is somehow formed. The Kip (contribs) 02:45, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'd go with this if it becomes clear in the next few days that they are not going to be able to form a new government. For now I'd stick to Alt II until the dust settles. -Ad Orientem (talk) 03:04, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support any of the proposed blurbs, with alt2 or 5 as my preference. Would support blurbing again if/when a new PM is chosen, since even though Attal resigned (and is continuing as caretaker) it doesn't seem like this will be resolved anytime soon. Davey2116 (talk) 03:00, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt2 or alt4 once it’s ready Those seem like the best blurbs. However, the “Potential outcomes and pre-election comments” subsection in the “Aftermath” section seems like it’s awkward now that the election has happened. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 04:50, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not my understanding of this at all, and appears to be a fringe interpretation. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:55, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My understanding comes from the Collins-Robert French Dictionary which is not fringe. It gives the meanings as refractory, rebellious, insubordinate, undefeated, unsubdued. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:53, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: André Drege

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Article: André Drege (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ORF.at
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Norwegian cyclist. --Engineerchange (talk) 04:18, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Joe Egan (musician)

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Article: Joe Egan (musician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NME
Credits:
Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Scottish musician and co-founder of Stealers Wheel. 240F:7A:6253:1:38AB:9905:A2DA:8D62 (talk) 01:15, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose not ready, article needs expansion. PrinceofPunjabTALK 06:13, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I agree with previous comment. Little more than a stub in substance. Ref (chew)(do) 06:59, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is now fully sourced. Ollieisanerd (talkcontribs) 20:27, 12 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Khyree Jackson

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Article: Khyree Jackson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

NFL cornerback recent death. --Engineerchange (talk) 18:26, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RIP, a tragic death. Article is in a good enough shape. PrinceofPunjabTALK 14:59, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support nothing holding back this article about an NFL player. Bremps... 21:07, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support and André Drege too. Both sportsmen of the same age who had their lives tragically cut short on the same day. Both articles seem good, though Jackson's is more detailed. 1779Days (talk) 23:11, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We can nominate that one independently. Bremps... 01:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Date and place of birth are both unreferenced. Schwede66 10:35, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: Fixed. Typically on NFL player articles that information is pulled from the ESPN or NFL biography and not appropriately cited. --Engineerchange (talk) 16:02, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mirta Díaz-Balart

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Article: Mirta Díaz-Balart (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CiberCuba
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

First wife of Fidel Castro. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:11, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose given the lack of detail in her article, which is rated Start class. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 03:51, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait there are some more references needed otherwise article is okay. PrinceofPunjabTALK 15:00, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait More citations needed. Bremps... 22:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Masoud Pezeshkian elected President of Iran

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Article: 2024 Iranian presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Masoud Pezeshkian (pictured) is elected President of Iran. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Iran, Masoud Pezeshkian (pictured) is elected president in the second round of the 2024 presidential election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Iran, the reformist candidate Masoud Pezeshkian (pictured) is elected president in the second round of the 2024 presidential election.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In Iran, the reformist candidate Masoud Pezeshkian (pictured) is declared the winner of the second round of presidential elections.
News source(s): New York Times BBC
Credits:
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

He is elected president of Iran. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 06:02, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would imagine it was marked as ITNR because it was thought to be a general election. Looking at the three different elections that took place in Iran this year, it is not at all clear to me which one was the general election, so this might not be ITNR. Gödel2200 (talk) 11:34, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The president of Iran does not hold the highest political authority, but does have many of the powers of an executive president, and is not just a figurehead. Among the Reformist presidents, Khatami was generally seen as having a big influence; Rouhani's reformist actions were generally seen as less successful; Ahmedinejad's role as a hardliner president was generally seen as him being mostly in control of executive power. Relations between the West and Iran have changed significantly between Reformist and hardliner Iranian presidents. This does satisfy ITN/R in any reasonable interpretation of real political power and both national and international effects. Boud (talk) 19:03, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there is any question of whether this election should be posted. But ITNR specifically says changes in the people who administer the executive of their country qualify, and according to the List of current heads of state and government article, that position is the supreme leader, not the president, so the election would technically not qualify for ITNR under that clause. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:23, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In Iran, the president is the head of government. See President of Iran. He chooses all ministers and cabinet members. The supreme leader is the head of state, but not the head of government. 175.159.120.175 (talk) 09:01, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The issue with ITN/R is that it assumes that only one position (in this case, the supreme leader) wields all of the executive power; it neglects to consider the fact that there can be other positions with some form of executive power (in this case, the president) that the main position itself lacks. The ITN/R status of "2023 Singaporean presidential election", which had a similar context, was debated under the same rationale (and later removed), though it was still ultimately posted. =JaventheAldericky= (Would you like to talk to me?) 14:25, 9 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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