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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) An image with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT⚡ 08:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as I9 by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Deleted. License is almost certainly bogus, free alternatives exist. WilyD 14:40, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • According to the source, this photo was taken at Kapustin Yar, a secret Soviet rocket launch and development site. It is highly unlikely that this work was created by a US federal emplyee in 1953. The source (NASA) credits Asif Siddiqi and his book Challenge to Apollo, something which further indicates that the photo is not created by NASA (and thus isn't {{PD-USGov}}) Kjetil r (talk) 00:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retag Given that he's dead, I think it's reasonable to use fair use in this case. It's clear the image is tagged improperly. NASA didn't even exist at the time this image was taken (it was established in 1958). Given the highly secretive nature of ballistic missiles and satellite programs, the notion that this is a work of the US government is fatally flawed. I think we can dispense with the claim that this is a public domain image, and go with fair use. Note that there might still be a claim to this image being freely licensed due to unusual copyright law from the CCCP collapse and subsequent Russian Federation. I'm no expert on that. Regardless, given the lack of free alternatives for depicting this person(Image:Korolyov in cockpit.jpg doesn't depict even his whole face), I think this is acceptable fair use. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:42, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
We have many free alternatives, see commons:Category:Sergei Korolyov. --Kjetil r (talk) 23:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as G7 by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 05:20, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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I am the person who created the image; the WIS_16.svg image is better quality. I have no problem with the deletion. jwhouk (talk) 03:37, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Issue looks to be resolved. -Nv8200p talk 16:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Apologies, there was a typo in the article that were supposed to use this image. This has been fixed, the image should stay. Thanks, Miguel.mateo (talk) 03:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 08:29, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: This series of .gif images (unicode characters) have all been superseded by .svg images, which are the preferred format. All listed here are orphaned. Skier Dude (talk) 03:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:Anguloa sp.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as I8 by PhilKnight (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) An image with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT⚡ 03:03, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Ctm4.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: - Delete . There is a general convention here that a single image of the cover of a single/CD is significant to reader's understanding and they are widely used. For additional images those seeking to keep them have to show how they meet NFCC#8 and NFCC#3a amongst other requirements. There is no argument below, nor on the image page, about how this image significantly increases reader's understanding and there is no sourced commentary in the article about the image itself - it is simply there as a decorative element - Peripitus (Talk) 22:26, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I feel that this image fails WP:NFCC#3a as multiple non-free images of the CD cover are used when one will suffice, and additionally or alternatively fails WP:NFCC#8 as the image does not add significantly to readers' understanding of the topic and its omission wouldn't be detrimental to that understanding. Stifle (talk) 09:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep: Passes NFCC#3a as one image won't suffice if the release has been issued with more than one cover. Passes NFCC#8 as identifies the topic of the article to whoever has the version with that particular cover. --JD554 (talk) 10:58, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep per JD554. Europe22 (talk) 18:29, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • NFCC#8 doesn't talk about identifying the topic of the article. How does it help a user to understand the article better by seeing more versions of the album cover? Stifle (talk) 09:36, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • We can say the same thing about the first cover at the head of the infobox : it doesn't increase the understanding of the reader and the artwork is almost never discussed in the article, and yet it is allowed after all. This first image may be completely unknown to some readers who live in another region in which the item was released under a different cover. The alternate image is used to show this other artwork in order to help the reader to do the link between the cover and the subject of the article and therefore this doesn't fall under WP:NFCC#8. And as I previously said, the template {{Alternate cover}} exists for this reason and is currently active on WP. (Quotes from Template:Infobox Album/doc : If the album has been released with different album covers, they can be added to the infobox using this template. (...) For alternate covers the upper caption should be "Alternate cover" and the lower caption should mention where that cover was used (int'l release, re-release, censored original, etc.).) PS: Sorry for my English ! Europe22 (talk) 18:29, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:California (maxi).JPG

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The result of the discussion was: - Delete . There is a general convention here that a single image of the cover of a single/CD is significant to reader's understanding and they are widely used. For additional images those seeking to keep them have to show how they meet NFCC#8 and NFCC#3a amongst other requirements. There is no argument below, nor on the image page, about how this image significantly increases reader's understanding and there is no sourced commentary in the article about the image itself - it is simply there as a decorative element. That the image identifies its subject is not relevant as all images do this. I refer editor's to the JPS's argument below — sourced commentary about the image itself is often what is required to make the image significant for reader's understanding - Peripitus (Talk) 22:32, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I feel that this image fails WP:NFCC#3a as multiple non-free images of the CD cover are used when one will suffice, and additionally or alternatively fails WP:NFCC#8 as the image does not add significantly to readers' understanding of the topic and its omission wouldn't be detrimental to that understanding. Stifle (talk) 09:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep: Passes NFCC#3a as one image won't suffice if the release has been issued with more than one cover. Passes NFCC#8 as identifies the topic of the article to whoever has the version with that particular cover. --JD554 (talk) 10:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep : This image passes NFCC#3a as released with different covers, and passes NFCC#8 for readers who have that cover that is very different from the original one. The template {{Alternate covers}} often added in an infobox exists precisely to show a cover when it is sufficiently different to warrant its inclusion in an article. Otherwise, this means that no alternate cover is allowed, as a cover or single album is always under WP:NFCC, and this template is obsolete. Europe22 (talk) 11:04, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep : This is consistent with other articles, and is the reason this infobox field exists. If the covers were somewhat similar there might be a reason to delete, but not in this instance. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 15:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and ignore WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments. So what if the infobox template asks for the images? It matters not. We don't have to have every blasted cover, of every release, of every album, of every single, of every demo copy that's ever been made of every blasted song in the universe. See Wikipedia:NFC#Images which states that mere identification is not enough. One single cover is plenty, and blast the trend to introduce as many covers as possible. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:46, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If mere identification is not enough, then we need to delete just about every single album/single/ep cover that is on wikipedia as the vast majority of them are not discussed in prose. --JD554 (talk) 15:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
1/ WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not relevant here ; 2/ Yes, the mere identification is not enough, but the article also contains a critical analysis of the single (WP:NFC#Images : only in the context of critical commentary of that item). Europe22 (talk) 16:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • A Knight Who Says Ni is stating that the infobox asks for such images, therefore they are acceptable. That's an otherstuffexists argument. He is also stating the use is consistent with other articles. That too is an otherstuffexists argument. As to identification vs. commentary, if there was some discussion regarding the differences in the covers of the singles, there might be an argument to keep. As is, it's just used to illustrate the article. There's no critical commentary regarding the style, popularity, etc. of the single covers themselves. Fail. --Hammersoft (talk) 17:51, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • This isn't an all or nothing proposal, and suggesting a sky is falling scenario isn't helpful to the discussion. We are discussing having multiple covers per item in question, and specifically in this case (though I think the wider subject of multiple covers needs to be addressed in a wider forum than this). --Hammersoft (talk) 21:15, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Fair enough, then these images should stay as they still comply with NFCC#8 which doesn't say anything about the images being discussed in the prose, they simply need to aid the readers understanding, which they do as they are the covers of the singles and give immediate and quick identification which is difficult to achieve by prose alone. --JD554 (talk) 22:41, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (and Comment). I can't see why this has a page at all - it doesn't seem notable enough for a song. It appears to have not been a hit in any English-speaking country, fine for foreign-language Wikipedias, but not here. I would also suggest that the endless list of where it appears on different albums is pointless in the extreme - this should only be done for the most notable of albums. I know this isn't the discussion, but this page is too much as it is. It needs a good clean and tightening up to something more befitting an encyclopedic article.--Tuzapicabit (talk) 16:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment : The song passes WP:NM as it has "been ranked on national or significant music charts" (no need to be charted in English-countries). In addition, sources establish notability. Europe22 (talk) 17:07, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: Image passes NFCC#3a. Text in article relates: "California" was also released in Germany with a new white cover. Regarding the various remixes, they are the result of collaboration between Laurent Boutonnat / Bertrand Châtenet ('LAPD remix' and 'wandering club mix'), and various American DJs : Niki Gasolino & Peter Parker, Nils Ruzicka, and Ramon Zenker.[1] which further explains what the 'Mixes' 'sticker' on the cover is about.--Alf melmac 12:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Non-free images should only be used to convey information that words (or a free alternative) can not express, or be accompanied by critical commentary. "...was also released in Germany with a new white cover" is not developed enough to justify a non-free image in a free encyclopedia. It might be different if the covers were actually discussed (photographer, where they were photographed, etc.) using reliable sources. The covers do not identify the subject. A sound clip, however, would. The JPStalk to me 12:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Surely a cover identifies the subject visually. Something a sound clip obviously can't do. --JD554 (talk) 12:51, 8 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
mmm, but the subject is the song, not the cover. The JPStalk to me 21:37, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
It is. But if you walk in to a record shop, how do you identify the song you want to buy? --JD554 (talk) 05:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
By name! You are not completely oblivious when you wander into a store unless you see a picture. Why do you want to buy a song? Because you've heard it on the radio? Because you like the artist? Chances are the potential buyer hasn't a clue what the cover looks like until they see it in a shop. A picture of x on the cover helps identify the subject in a shop within that temporal context, but that is saying little about the song. This is why iTunes has a preview facility -- a sound clip helps you identify the song.
A particular image(s) would have been chosen for that specific song, and such discussions are interesting, but only when accompanied by reliable sources.
This argument could actually be used to remove any cover without a critical commentary. I wouldn't want to pursue that extreme, but we need to cut down on excessive non-free images: remember the pillars! The JPStalk to me 08:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
One of which is Wikipedia has a neutral point of view. If you are only going to allow a single cover for identification from one region it would be POV-pushing and introducing systemic bias. I have yet to be convinced of the argument that covers from different regions is "excessive". --JD554 (talk) 11:00, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you mean. Perhaps there should be a rule that priority is given to the country of first release, or home country of artist. Otherwise it could get very silly if someone tried adding every alternate cover. The JPStalk to me 16:57, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

←Luckily there's usually only 2 or 3 at the most or, if there are more, they aren't different enough. But I suppose there is potential for it to be taken to an extreme. One to be brought up at WP:MUSIC perhaps? --JD554 (talk) 10:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep : This is an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia lists all content about a subject. Since some people will know the album only by the alternate cover, there is no reason to delete it as that viewer would look at the main cover and say, "That's not the one I'm looking for" to then come across the second one and say, "Ah, that's the album/single I have."CycloneGU (talk) 06:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • And the lead doesn't provide adequate information? It's worrying that so many people, seemingly, are reliant on pretty pictures rather than words. The JPStalk to me 10:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: NFCC#8 doesn't talk about identifying the topic of the article. How does it help a user to understand the article better by seeing more versions of the album cover? Stifle (talk) 09:37, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • We can say the same thing about the first cover at the head of the infobox : it doesn't increase the understanding of the reader and the artwork is almost never discussed in the article, and yet it is allowed after all. This first image may be completely unknown to some readers who live in another region in which the item was released under a different cover. The alternate image is used to show this other artwork in order to help the reader to do the link between the cover and the subject of the article and therefore this doesn't fall under WP:NFCC#8. And as I previously said, the template {{Alternate cover}} exists for this reason and is currently active on WP. (Quotes from Template:Infobox Album/doc : If the album has been released with different album covers, they can be added to the infobox using this template. (...) For alternate covers the upper caption should be "Alternate cover" and the lower caption should mention where that cover was used (int'l release, re-release, censored original, etc.).) PS: Sorry for my English ! Europe22 (talk) 18:30, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:California (2).JPG

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The result of the discussion was: - Delete . There is a general convention here that a single image of the cover of a single/CD is significant to reader's understanding and they are widely used. For additional images those seeking to keep them have to show how they meet NFCC#8 and NFCC#3a amongst other requirements. There is no argument below, nor on the image page, about how this image significantly increases reader's understanding and there is no sourced commentary in the article about the image itself - it is simply there as a decorative element. That the image identifies its subject is not relevant as all images do this. I refer editor's to the JPS's argument below and in the previous IfD — sourced commentary about the image itself is often what is required to make the image significant for reader's understanding - Peripitus (Talk) 22:34, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I feel that this image fails WP:NFCC#3a as multiple non-free images of the CD cover are used when one will suffice, and additionally or alternatively fails WP:NFCC#8 as the image does not add significantly to readers' understanding of the topic and its omission wouldn't be detrimental to that understanding. Stifle (talk) 09:35, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep: Passes NFCC#3a as one image won't suffice if the release has been issued with more than one cover. Passes NFCC#8 as identifies the topic of the article to whoever has the version with that particular cover. --JD554 (talk) 10:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep : This image passes NFCC#3a as released with different covers, and passes NFCC#8 for readers who have that cover that is very different from the original one. The template {{Alternate covers}} often added in an infobox exists precisely to show a cover when it is sufficiently different to warrant its inclusion in an article. Otherwise, this means that no alternate cover is allowed, as a cover or single album is always under WP:NFCC, and this template is obsolete. Europe22 (talk) 11:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and ignore WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments. So what if the infobox template asks for the images? It matters not. We don't have to have every blasted cover, of every release, of every album, of every single, of every demo copy that's ever been made of every blasted song in the universe. See Wikipedia:NFC#Images which states that mere identification is not enough. One single cover is plenty, and blast the trend to introduce as many covers as possible. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If mere identification is not enough, then we need to delete just about every single album/single/ep cover that is on wikipedia as the vast majority of them are not discussed in prose. --JD554 (talk) 15:57, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
1/ WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not relevant here ; 2/ Yes, the mere identification is not enough, but the article also contains a critical analysis of the single (WP:NFC#Images : only in the context of critical commentary of that item). Europe22 (talk) 15:59, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Image passes NFCC#3a - text of article has "Among the different media for this single, there was a CD single distributed in a limited triptych digipack edition, and a CD maxi containing 6 titles - this one is the only CD maxi in Farmer's career still for sale because, given the number of tracks, it is referenced by Universal as a "mini-album" and is re-edited." putting those releases into context, does help identify what is what out of the releases.--Alf melmac 12:33, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per my comments in the above IFD. Agree with Stifle that perhaps the template should be obsolete. (Let me know if you nominate it.) In the meantime, we're discussing this image. As there is no substantial discussion of the non-free image, and it conveys no additional information to the article, delete. The JPStalk to me 08:49, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep : My comments for this are the same as the other considered deletion candidate for this single.CycloneGU (talk) 06:29, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment: NFCC#8 doesn't talk about identifying the topic of the article. How does it help a user to understand the article better by seeing more versions of the album cover? (Nobody has yet addressed this point.) Stifle (talk) 09:37, 20 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • We can say the same thing about the first cover at the head of the infobox : it doesn't increase the understanding of the reader and the artwork is almost never discussed in the article, and yet it is allowed after all. This first image may be completely unknown to some readers who live in another region in which the item was released under a different cover. The alternate image is used to show this other artwork in order to help the reader to do the link between the cover and the subject of the article and therefore this doesn't fall under WP:NFCC#8. And as I previously said, the template {{Alternate cover}} exists for this reason and is currently active on WP. (Quotes from Template:Infobox Album/doc : If the album has been released with different album covers, they can be added to the infobox using this template. (...) For alternate covers the upper caption should be "Alternate cover" and the lower caption should mention where that cover was used (int'l release, re-release, censored original, etc.).) PS: Sorry for my English ! Europe22 (talk) 18:31, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:California (video).jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Fails WP:NFCC#8. There is no commentary about the image in the text. It merely illustrates that the singer played a part in the video. -Nv8200p talk 04:42, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I feel that this image fails WP:NFCC#3a as multiple non-free images of the CD cover are used when one will suffice, and additionally or alternatively fails WP:NFCC#8 as the image does not add significantly to readers' understanding of the topic and its omission wouldn't be detrimental to that understanding. Stifle (talk) 09:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep.
1/This image doesn't fall under WP:NFCC#3a because the other image has been removed.
2/I think that this is a misinterpretation of WP:NFCC#8. In an article about a single, it is normal that there is a screenshot of the music video, since it is an important part of the topic. Moreover, it is precided on the template {{Non-free music video screenshot}} : [a screenshot can be used] "for identification (1) and critical commentary (2) on the music video in question." So a screenshot seems acceptable because (1) in all case it identifies the subject, and (2) if it is the subject of a commentary in the article.
WP:NFCC#8 states : "Significance. Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." What we regard as "detrimental" is obviously very subjective. If it is assumed that all that exists can be described with words (which is even the case for ideas), then no screenshot is essential, and this implicitely means : "Screenshots of music video are not allowed on WP". But we must admit that image has much more impact on the reader that words. So, from the moment the video is the subject of a sourced discussion in an article, it seems quite natural to add a screenshot to support the text, and this does not fall under WP:NFCC#8.
By the way, a single or album cover is also non-free content. However, it is accepted, as it is essential to "identify the subject", although it is rarely discussed (indeed, never discussed, nor even mentioned) in the article in which it is.
Lastly, according to Section 107 of the United States Copyright Act of 1976: "The fair use of a copyrighted work...for purposes such as criticism, comment,...scholarship...is not an infringement of copyright."   http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=17&sec=107 - Europe22 (talk) 11:01, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The Copyright Act is not relevant to us as WP fair use policy is considerably stricter than US law. Stifle (talk) 11:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The screenshot adds nothing to the article. The article fails to discuss this particular image. The image only generally illustrates the video. There's nothing lost to the reader by this image being deleted. Fail. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - The significance of images is not established in the article text. Not convinced that there is a need for the image that cannot be explained with pro's. — Realist2 16:49, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:C'est une belle journée (maxi).JPG

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The result of the discussion was: - Delete - Fails WP:NFCC#8 and NFCC#3a. There is no commentary about the image in the text and no argument below about how the image significantly increases reader's understanding nor why two images are required rather than simply decorative. In this, and the preceeding, Ifd discussions there is evidently a lack of understanding about what is required to meet NFCC#8. If in the article there was sourced commentary of the type of "On the maxi CD cover, artist xxxx did xxxx which he said xxxx" then the image would be necessary for the text to make sense. Without something of this ilk the image is decorative and this is not sufficient reason to host a copyrighted image - Peripitus (Talk) 22:40, 21 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • I feel that this image fails WP:NFCC#3a as multiple non-free images of the CD cover are used when one will suffice, and additionally or alternatively fails WP:NFCC#8 as the image does not add significantly to readers' understanding of the topic and its omission wouldn't be detrimental to that understanding. Stifle (talk) 09:36, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep: Passes NFCC#3a as one image won't suffice if the release has been issued with more than one cover. Passes NFCC#8 as identifies the topic of the article to whoever has the version with that particular cover. --JD554 (talk) 11:00, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Keep : This image passes NFCC#3a as released with different covers, and passes NFCC#8 for readers who have that cover that is very different from the original one. The template {{Alternate covers}} often added in an infobox exists precisely to show a cover when it is sufficiently different to warrant its inclusion in an article. Otherwise, this means that no alternate cover is allowed, as a cover or single album is always under WP:NFCC, and this template is obsolete. Europe22 (talk) 11:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and ignore WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments. So what if the infobox template asks for the images? It matters not. We don't have to have every blasted cover, of every release, of every album, of every single, of every demo copy that's ever been made of every blasted song in the universe. See Wikipedia:NFC#Images which states that mere identification is not enough. One single cover is plenty, and blast the trend to introduce as many covers as possible. --Hammersoft (talk) 15:50, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. The image fails WP:NFCC#1 and #8. They is no sourced information in the Ida Lupino article that supports that Lupino, early in her career, was positioned as a desirable sex object. Using the image in One Rainy Afternoon merely shows a cast member of the film beside the list of cast members. The free image of Francis Lederer is just as significant. -Nv8200p talk 18:35, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete - I feel that this image fails WP:NFCC#1 as two free images have been included in the article Ida Lupino. Also this image is not publicity photo for the 1936 film One Rainy Afternoon. -- Britneysaints (talk) 12:22, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The image is in use in two articles. In the biography of Ida Lupino, it serves to show that Lupino's career went through distinct phases. The available free images show her in her mature state as an actress, and as a director, but neither gives any indication that Lupino, early in her career, was positioned as a desireable sex object. This would in no respect be apparent from the free images, so the current image is valuable in shedding additional light on another aspect of her career.

    As for the article One Rainy Afternoon, unfortunately there were not any images available that I could find, free or otherwise, to illustrate this page, and the publicity picture of Lupino was the best available image that could be found. I'd have absolutely no objection to removing this image from that article if another more specific one could be located (free or otherwise), but in the meantime, this at least serves to present to the reader the general look of Ms. Lupino at that period. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 01:23, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - per Ed Fitzgerald above. Wildhartlivie (talk) 21:50, 17 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The photo does not “significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic” (WP:NFCC #8). Britneysaints (talk) 07:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the discussion was: delete. Fails WP:NFCC#8 in Fast and Loose (film) and WP:NFCC#1 in Miriam Hopkins. Having an image of a cast member beside the cast list does not make the image significant. Freedom trumps quality for images. -Nv8200p talk 18:48, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • 1) One free image have been included in the article Miriam Hopkins. Quality is not relevant. Image:MiriamHopkinsinBeckySharp.jpg is acceptable quality. We simply don't use an non-free image when a free one will suffice. Purpose is to show what she looked like. 2) Also this image is not publicity photo for Fast and Loose (film). Source: [1] -- Britneysaints (talk) 12:38, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - To say "quality is not relevant" is rather silly -- after all, what are we here for except to engage in the creation of a quality encyclopedia? If the articles in WP were all as crappy as the available free image of Miriam Hopkins, no one would be turning to this project as a source of information. Instead, it is the relentless drive to improve the quality of the articles, overall, which has placed Wikipedia in the position it is in today as the source of first choice for quick and accurate information. These articles deserve the best illustrations available, and there comes a point where ideology must give way to practicality and the quest for excellence.

    Again, if another free image was to be found that was of comparable -- or even somewhat inferior -- quality to the non-free image in question, I'd have no problem replacing it, but to make the reader suffer with an extremely poor picture when another is available that is legally and morally usable and is of overwhelming superior quality, seems a great disservice to the people we are supposed to be serving.

    We're not here to be dogmatic ideologues, we're here to build the best encyclopedia we can. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 01:30, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, the photo does not “significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic” (WP:NFCC #8). --Kjetil r (talk) 20:56, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Really? A photo which shows what a prominent actress looked like at the prime of her career, as opposed to near the end of it, doesn't increase readers' understanding of the subject? Only if one holds that visual information is in some way inferior to textual information, I would think. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 22:30, 15 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note that is says “significantly increase,” not “increase.” --Kjetil r (talk) 19:51, 16 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 09:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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  • from disclaimer noted on image nominated above, no permission for derivative works. also unclear whether permission to reproduce is limited to professional purposes. plus now the website just says copyright with no permission statement Calliopejen1 (talk) 14:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Jimfbleak (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 16:19, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Stifle (talk) 12:57, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 09:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Durruti_Column.JPG

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Nv8200p (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 22:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:Eliezr_Yehuda_Waldenberg.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted as I4 by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 05:24, 12 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Eliezr_Yehuda_Waldenberg.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Chesdovi (notify | contribs).
  • The problem with that line of reasoning is that there's no way to verify the copyright status of the image. That's crucial to our fair use acceptance policy under which this image is challenged. Just citing this blog as the source, which uses clippings from an unnamed newspaper, is grossly insufficient. We must have the newspaper this came from, preferably what date it was printed, and if the image is copyright to someone other than the newspaper, we need that information too. This information is all lacking. Without it, the image must go. --Hammersoft (talk) 22:28, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Clearly if the author is not known, it is not a reason to disqualify. The image was downloaded from the web and the URL is given. What more is needed in this instance where it is practically impossible to determine who took this photo? Chesdovi (talk) 01:40, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • The problem here is we have no idea who the original source is. This is no different than grabbing an image from a random website and saying you found it on the web somewhere. We don't know the author and we don't know the source. We haven't the faintest idea what the status of this image really is and no way to confirm its status. That makes it wholly unacceptable. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:34, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:The_The_-_Sweet_Bird_Of_Truth_single_picture_cover.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Nv8200p (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 22:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Image:KSIA-Terminal-20080902.JPG

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Skier Dude (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 09:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:KSIA-Terminal-20080902.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Ron2K (notify | contribs).
  • I uploaded this a few months ago with a fair use rationale; however, I've discovered that the image usage caused a stir on the original forum it was posted on, and I've consequently decided to take it down. Ron2K (talk) 19:44, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:'Roots', oil on canvas painting by Maya Cohen Levy, 2002, private collection.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Stifle (talk) 12:57, 22 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:'Roots', oil on canvas painting by Maya Cohen Levy, 2002, private collection.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Wmpearl (notify | contribs).
  • The work is not discussed at all, and there is already an example of the subject's work in the article. J Milburn (talk) 22:39, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. There is a PD image in the article, but it is a sculpture and not representative of her work, so would on its own give a misleading impression to the reader. The image under discussion shows her main direction, and I have added material that addresses this. It would not be possible to visualise the result of her main influences from Abstract Expressionism and Islamic art without being able to see an example. Ty 21:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The painting is needed to enable the reader to understand the work of this artist..The artists work needs to be seen to be understood and the single sculpture alone is slightly misleading which is why the painting is important also...Modernist (talk) 22:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep This is the only example in Wikipedia of a two-dimentional work by the artist. The English article on this artist has been determined to be within the scope of WikiProject BiographyWmpearl (talk) 00:24, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:White Relief.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Nv8200p (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 22:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:White Relief.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hadams6 (notify | contribs).
  • Work is not mentioned in the article, nevermind discussed. Its use is purely decorative. J Milburn (talk) 23:05, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete because there is one fair use image (The Meschers) which better demonstrates the artist's work and this is all that can be justified with the existing text. Please do not use the argument "purely decorative". Use of images of an artist's work in an article about the artist is never "decorative", as it always increases understanding of the artist. To state otherwise is an implication that the artist merely produced "decoration" which is at best highly POV. It is a question of balancing the worth of additional useful information with wikipedia's FU requirements. Ty 17:42, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Image:Mandorla.jpg

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Nv8200p (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 22:06, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image:Mandorla.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Hadams6 (notify | contribs).
  • Work is not discussed or even mentioned outside image captions in either of the articles the image is used in. A non-free image is not warranted. J Milburn (talk) 23:06, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The work speaks for itself, is visual art and demonstrates it's meaning without words..Modernist (talk) 23:17, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete If images spoke for themselves, then we could permit every fair use image anywhere to be included here. Concur with J Milburn. The image adds nothing to the articles it is in, as it is not discussed and its removal does not in any way affect reader's understanding of the topics. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:36, 4 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete because there is one fair use image (The Meschers) by the artist which better demonstrates the artist's work and this is all that can be justified with the existing text. It is, however, a poor arguement to state, "The image adds nothing to the articles it is in, as it is not discussed and its removal does not in any way affect reader's understanding of the topics." Use of images of an artist's work in an article about the artist always increases understanding of the artist. That is why art books include images which they do not necessarily comment on specifically - because an intelligent reader will find these informative to increase their understanding. It is a question of balancing the worth of additional useful information with wikipedia's FU requirements. Ty 17:45, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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