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Categories for discussion (CfD) is the central venue for discussing specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories and stub types in accordance with the guidelines for categorization, category naming and stub articles.
For detailed instructions about using CfD, see "How to use CfD" below. Briefly, nominations are handled through one of two processes:
- Speedy renaming and merging, for uncontroversial proposals that meet specified criteria—see "Speedy renaming and merging" below.
- Full discussion, for all other proposals. Discussions typically remain open for at least seven days and are closed once a rough consensus has formed or no objections to the nomination are raised.
Except in uncontroversial cases such as reverting vandalism, do not amend or depopulate a category once it has been nominated at CfD as this hampers other editors' efforts to evaluate a category and participate in the discussion.
When a category is renamed or merged with another category, in limited circumstances it may be helpful to leave an instance of the {{Category redirect|...}} template on the category's former page. See "Redirecting categories" below for more information.
Wikipedia:Move review can be used to contest the outcome of a CfD request that is limited in scope to renaming, as long as all steps are followed. If a discussion on the request closer's talk page does not resolve an issue, then a move review will evaluate the close of a CfD move discussion to determine whether or not the close was reasonable and consistent with the spirit and intent of common practice, policies, and guidelines. CfDs involving deletion should be reviewed at Wikipedia:Deletion review.
Scope
[edit]CfD is intended only for specific proposals to delete, merge, rename or split categories or stub types. For general discussion about how to improve the category system, use other appropriate venues such as Wikipedia talk:Categorization, Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories, and any relevant WikiProjects' talk pages.
Current discussions
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Discussions awaiting closure
[edit]- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 14 (7 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 13 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 11 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 9 (2 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 7 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 5 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 4 (1 open)
- Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 June 29 (3 open)
See also the list of individual discussions awaiting closure here and the list of full open discussions awaiting closure here.
How to use CfD
[edit]Nomination procedure
[edit]Twinkle
[edit]You may use Twinkle to facilitate CfD nominations. To install Twinkle, go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Twinkle" in the "Browsing" section. Use the now-installed "XfD" (Start a deletion discussion) tab while viewing the page you want to nominate.
Twinkle only allows you to nominate a single category or stub template. For bundled nominations including multiple categories, see § MassCFD.
MassCFD
[edit]You can use the script User:Qwerfjkl/scripts/massCFD to automatically make mass nominations.
Manual nominations
[edit]I | Preliminary steps.
Before nominating a category:
In the following special cases:
For further information, see Wikipedia:Categorization and Wikipedia:Manual of Style. |
II | Edit the category.
Add one of the following templates at the beginning of the category page (not the talk page) of every category to be discussed. For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested here.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) to copy and paste one of the templates below. When inserting category names into these template's parameters, except the
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Stub types
[edit]I | Preliminary steps.
In general, a stub type consists of a stub template and a dedicated stub category. Before nominating a stub type for deletion, merging or renaming:
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II | Edit the template.
Add one of the following tags at the beginning of the template to be discussed.
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III | Create the CFD section.
Click THIS LINK to edit the section of CfD for today's entries. Follow the instructions (visible in edit mode) and paste the following text (remember to update the default parameters):
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Notifying interested projects and editors
[edit]In addition to the steps listed above, you may choose to invite participation by editors who are likely to be informed about a nominated category. All such efforts must comply with Wikipedia's guideline against biased canvassing. In addition, to help make your messages about the CfD discussion clear, avoid Wikipedia-specific abbreviations, link to relevant policies or guidelines, and link to the discussion itself.
- Notifying related WikiProjects
WikiProjects consist of groups of editors who are interested in a particular subject. If a nominated category is within the scope of one or more WikiProjects, consider adding a brief, neutral note on their talk page(s) about the nomination. You may use {{subst:cfd notice|Category name|2024 July 22|CfD section name}} ~~~~
or write a personalized message.
Tagging the nominated category's talk page with a relevant WikiProject's banner will include the category in that WikiProject's Article Alerts if they subscribe to the system. For instance, tagging a nominated category with {{WikiProject Physics}} will add the discussion to Wikipedia:WikiProject Physics/Article alerts.
- Notifying substantial contributors to the category
While not required, it is generally considered courteous to notify the good-faith creator and main contributors of the category that you are nominating for discussion. To find the creator and main contributors, check the category's page history or talk page. You may use {{Cfd notice}}
to inform the category's creator and all other editors.
- Notifying other interested editors
It may be helpful to invite other subject-matter experts by posting a message on the talk page of the most closely related article, such as Protein family for Category:Protein families. You may use {{Cfdnotice}}
for this.
Closing procedure
[edit]After seven days, someone will close the discussion according to the consensus that formed or, if needed, relist it to allow more discussion. Editors closing discussions must follow the administrator instructions and, except in the case of a "keep" or "no consensus" outcome, implement the result or log it at the Working page to ensure it is implemented.
Redirecting categories
[edit]In general, an unpopulated category should be deleted (see speedy deletion criterion C1) because it is not useful for navigation and sorting. In limited circumstances, and because categories cannot be redirected using "hard" redirects (i.e. #REDIRECT[[''target'']]
), we use a form of "soft redirect" to solve the issue. You can create a category redirect by adding {{Category redirect|target}}
to the category page. Bots patrol these categories and move articles into the "redirect" targets.
In particular, category redirects are used at the former category name when we convert hyphens into en dashes (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations). It is also helpful to set up category redirects from titles with plain letters (i.e. characters on a standard keyboard) where the category names include diacritics.
A list of redirected categories is available at Category:Wikipedia soft redirected categories.
Speedy renaming and merging
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Speedy renaming or speedy merging of categories may be requested only if they meet a speedy criterion, for example WP:C2D (consistency with main article's name) or WP:C2C (consistency with established category tree names). Please see instructions below.
- Determine which speedy criterion applies
- Tag category page with
{{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
or{{subst:cfm-speedy|Merge target}}
- List request along with speedy criteria reason under "Current requests" below on this page
Please note that a speedy request must state which of the narrowly defined criteria strictly applies. Hence, any other non-speedy criteria, even "common sense" or "obvious", may be suitable points, but only at a full discussion at WP:Categories for discussion.
Request may take 48 hours to process after listing if there are no objections. This delay allows other users to review the request to ensure that it meets the speedy criteria for speedy renaming or merging, and to raise objections to the proposed change.
Categories that qualify for speedy deletion (per Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, e.g., "patent nonsense", "recreation") can be tagged with the regular speedy tags, such as {{db|reason}}
with no required delay. Empty categories can be deleted if they remain empty 7 days after tagging with {{db-empty}}. Renaming under C2E may also be processed instantly (at the discretion of an administrator) as it is a variation on G7.
To oppose a speedy request you must record your objection within 48 hours of the nomination. Do this by inserting immediately under the nomination:
- Oppose, (the reasons for your objection). ~~~~
You will not be able to do this by editing the page WP:Categories for discussion. Instead, you should edit the section WP:Categories for discussion#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here or the page WP:Categories for discussion/Speedy#Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here (WP:CFDS). Be aware that in the course of any discussion, the nomination and its discussion may get moved further down the page purely for organizational convenience – you may need to search WP:CFDS to find the new location. Participate in any ongoing discussion, but unless you withdraw your opposition, a knowledgeable person may eventually bring forward the nomination and discussion to become a regular CFD discussion. At that stage you may add further comments, but your initial opposition will still be considered. However, if after seven days there has been no support for the request, and no response from the nominator, the request may be dropped from further consideration as a speedy.
Contested speedy requests become stale, and can be untagged and delisted after 7 days of inactivity. Optionally, if the discussion may be useful for future reference, it may be copied to the category talk page, with a section heading and {{moved discussion from|[[WP:CFDS]]|2=~~~~}}
. If the nominator wants to revive the process, this may be requested at WP:Categories for discussion (CfD) in accordance with its instructions.
If you belatedly notice and want to oppose a speedy move that has already been processed, contact one of the admins who process the Speedy page. If your objection seems valid, they may reverse the move, or start a full CFD discussion.
Speedy criteria
[edit]The category-specific criteria for speedy renaming, or merging are strictly limited to:
C2A: Typographic and spelling fixes
[edit]- Correction of spelling errors and capitalization fixes. Differences between British and American spelling (e.g. Harbours → Harbors) are not considered errors; however if the convention of the relevant category tree is to use one form over the other then a rename may be appropriate under C2C. If both spellings exist as otherwise-identical category names, they should be merged.
- Appropriate conversion of hyphens into en dashes or vice versa (e.g. Category:Canada-Russia relations → Category:Canada–Russia relations).
- Correction of obvious grammatical errors, such as a missing conjunction (e.g. Individual frogs toads → Individual frogs and toads). This includes pluralizing a noun in the name of a set category, but not when disagreement might reasonably be anticipated as to whether the category is a topic or set category.
C2B: Consistency with established Wikipedia naming conventions and practices
[edit]- Expanding abbreviated country names (e.g. U.S. → United States).
- Disambiguation fixes from an unqualified name (e.g. Category:Washington → Category:Washington (state) or Category:Washington, D.C.).
C2C: Consistency with established category tree names
[edit]Bringing a category into line with established naming conventions for that category tree, or into line with the various "x by y", "x of y", or "x in y" categorization conventions specified at Wikipedia:Category names
- This should be used only where there is no room for doubt that the category in question is being used for the standard purpose instead of being a potential subcategory.
- This criterion should be applied only when there is no ambiguity or doubt over the existence of a category naming convention. Such a convention must be well defined and must be overwhelmingly used within the tree. If this is not the case then the category in question must be brought forward to a full Cfd nomination.
- This criterion will not apply in cases where the category tree observes distinctions in local usage (e.g. Category:Transportation in the United States and Category:Transport in the United Kingdom).
C2D: Consistency with main article's name
[edit]- Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous page (e.g. Category:The Beatles and The Beatles).
- This applies only if the related page's current name (and by extension, the proposed name for the category) is:
- unambiguous (so it generally does not apply to proposals to remove a disambiguator from the category name, even when the main article is the primary topic of its name, i.e. it does not contain a disambiguator); and
- uncontroversial, either because of longstanding stability at that particular name, or because the page was just moved (i) after a page move discussion resulted in explicit consensus to rename, or (ii) unilaterally to reflect an official renaming which is verified by one or more citations (provided in the nomination). C2D does not apply if the result would be contrary to guidelines at WP:CATNAME, or there is any ongoing discussion about the name of the page or category, or there has been a recent discussion concerning any of the pages that resulted in a no consensus result, or it is controversial in some other way.
- This criterion may also be used to rename a set category in the same circumstances, where the set is defined by a renamed topic; e.g. players for a sports team, or places in a district.
- Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
C2E: Author request
[edit]- This criterion applies only if the author of a category requests or agrees to renaming within six months of creating the category.
- The criterion does not apply if other editors have populated or changed the category since it was created. "Other editors" includes bots that populated the category, but excludes an editor working with the author on the renaming.
C2F: One eponymous page
[edit]- This criterion applies if the category contains only an eponymous article, list, template or media file, provided that the category has not otherwise been emptied shortly before the nomination. The default outcome is an upmerge to the parent categories, where applicable. Nominations should use
{{subst:cfm-speedy}}
(speedy merger) linking to a suitable parent category, or to another appropriate category (e.g. one that is currently on the article).
Admin instructions
[edit]When handling the listings:
- Make sure that the listing meets one of the above criteria.
- With the exception of C2E, make sure that it was both listed and tagged at least 48 hours previously.
- Make sure that there is no opposition to the listing; if there is a discussion, check if the opposing user(s) ended up withdrawing their opposition.
If the listing meets these criteria, simply have the category renamed or merged – follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Administrator instructions, in the section "If the decision is to Rename, Merge, or Delete"; to list it for the bots, use the Speedy moves section.
Applying speedy criteria in full discussions
[edit]- A nomination to merge or rename, brought forward as a full CfD, may be speedily closed if the closing administrator is satisfied that:
- The nomination clearly falls within the scope of one of the criteria listed here, and
- No objections have been made within 48 hours of the initial nomination.
- If both these conditions are satisfied, the closure will be regarded as having been a result of a speedy nomination. If any objections have been raised then the CfD nomination will remain in place for the usual 7-day discussion period, to be decided in accordance with expressed consensus.
Add requests for speedy renaming and merging here
[edit]If the category and desired change do not match one of the criteria mentioned in C2, do not list it here. Instead, list it in the main CFD section.
If you are in any doubt as to whether it qualifies, do not list it here.
Use the following format on a new line at the beginning of the list:
* [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
If the current name should be redirected rather than deleted, use:
* REDIRECT [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
To note that human action is required, e.g. updating a template that populates the category, use:
* NO BOTS [[:Category:old name]] to [[:Category:new name]] – Reason ~~~~
Remember to tag the category page with: {{subst:cfr-speedy|New name}}
A request may be completed if it is more than 48 hours old; that is, if the time stamp shown is earlier than 23:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC). Currently, there are 57 open requests (. )
Administrators and page movers: Do not use the "Move" tab to move categories listed here!Categories are processed following the 48-hour waiting period and are moved by a bot. |
Current requests
[edit]Please add new requests at the top of the list, preferably with a link to the parent category (in case of C2C) or relevant article (in case of C2D).
- Category:U.S. Counties with long url to Category:U.S. counties with long url – C2A. Gonnym (talk) 17:16, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:U.S. Counties Missing Ex Image to Category:U.S. counties missing ex image – C2A. Gonnym (talk) 17:15, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films produced by Dev Entertainment Ventures to Category:Dev Entertainment Ventures films – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:45, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films produced by Ryuzo Kikushima to Category:Films produced by Ryūzō Kikushima – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:41, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Films produced by Toshio Suzuki to Category:Films produced by Toshio Suzuki (producer) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:37, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television plays directed by William Sterling to Category:Television plays directed by William Sterling (director) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Television plays directed by Bill Bain to Category:Television plays directed by Bill Bain (director) – C2D. Gonnym (talk) 09:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Grand Duchy of Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach to Category:Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach – C2D: per Saxe-Weimar-Eisenach. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:22, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:The Masters School people to Category:The Masters School alumni – C2A: these are all former students of the school. Omnis Scientia (talk) 00:05, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Polynomials factorization algorithms to Category:Polynomial factorization algorithms – C2A. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:36, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Reuss to Category:Imperial County of Reuss – C2D: per Imperial County of Reuss. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:19, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Jewish Confederates to Category:Confederate Jews and LEAVE REDIRECT – C2C: matches Category:American Jews and Category:Colonial American Jews and so on. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:00, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Pacific theatre of World War II to Category:Pacific War – Category name follows main article. Gryffindor (talk) 17:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:HP servers to Category:HPE servers – C2A, HP and HPE aren't the same Professional Adriazeri (talk) 16:29, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Navistar International to Category:Navistar, C2D with Navistar which was renamed from Navistar International in 2022. Kerisineah (talk) 00:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- I have only tagged the category now--Ymblanter (talk) 07:39, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Rugby league in the Hawke's Bay to Category:Rugby league in Hawke's Bay – C2C: consistency with all the other subcategories of Category:Hawke's Bay. Nurg (talk) 23:00, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Vatican sportspeople to Category:Vatican City sportspeople
– C2C: Parent/Grandparent is Category:Vatican City people by occupation, and the norm is Vatican City FOO Mason (talk) 16:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:P. League+ Finals to Category:P. League+ finals – C2D: To match the various year P. League+ finals article titles. Dicklyon (talk) 15:49, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Shakti Peethas to Category:Shakta pithas – Main page has been moved to Shakta pithas as per RM. Jovian Eclipse 09:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- REDIRECT Category:People from Menominee, Wisconsin to Category:People from Menomonie, Wisconsin per WP:C2D. There is no "Menominee, Wisconsin", there's a "Menominee County, Wisconsin", and a "Menomonie, Wisconsin", both of those already have categories. The people in the category seem like they should be listed with Menomonie. Asdasdasdff (talk) 09:02, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
Opposed requests
[edit]- Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty to Category:Sultanate of Golconda – C2D. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 17:18, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this would remove the content from the tree of Category:Shia dynasties. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm aware, however once this is moved Category:Sultans of Golconda should be moved to replace Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty as that cat includes the members of the dynasty. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 09:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do not agree with that move either because it would remove the sultans from the tree of Category:Sultans. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I see. So then make the cat Category:Sultanate of Golconda manually one level higher than Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty? There's no reason that the main category for the Sultanate of Golconda topic shouldn't be Category:Sultanate of Golconda. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Potentially a reason for Category:Sultanate of Golconda not to exist is that there aren't any wikipedia articles about events that took place in this sultanate. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle There are, they just aren't in the Qutb Shahi dynasty cat because it wouldn't make sense to have events in a dynasty cat; Siege of Golconda and Willem Leyel's war on Golconda are two examples. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, the category exists now. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- What is now the proposal for the move? Ymblanter (talk) 20:32, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thank you, the category exists now. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle There are, they just aren't in the Qutb Shahi dynasty cat because it wouldn't make sense to have events in a dynasty cat; Siege of Golconda and Willem Leyel's war on Golconda are two examples. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 16:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- Potentially a reason for Category:Sultanate of Golconda not to exist is that there aren't any wikipedia articles about events that took place in this sultanate. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:54, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle I see. So then make the cat Category:Sultanate of Golconda manually one level higher than Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty? There's no reason that the main category for the Sultanate of Golconda topic shouldn't be Category:Sultanate of Golconda. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 13:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
- I do not agree with that move either because it would remove the sultans from the tree of Category:Sultans. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:28, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm aware, however once this is moved Category:Sultans of Golconda should be moved to replace Category:Qutb Shahi dynasty as that cat includes the members of the dynasty. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 09:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose, this would remove the content from the tree of Category:Shia dynasties. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Women Indian independence activists to Category:Indian women independence activists – C2B: word ordering is "Indian women" activists Mason (talk) 01:18, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Smasongarrison I would question this. Current name includes non-Indian women who were Indian independence activists, such as Sarla Behn and Annie Besant. TSventon (talk) 01:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm happy to remove the non-indian folks, and put them into a new category of Activists for Indian independence. Mason (talk) 01:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, it looks like Sarla Behn moved to India, and is categorized in several other Indian FOOian categories. Similar case with Annie Besant. In other words, it looks like they were intentially categorized as being in Indian women categories. Mason (talk) 01:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- That works for the women, but there are several men in Category:Indian independence activists who look British, e.g. Reginald Reynolds and Allan Octavian Hume. TSventon (talk) 02:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why it's necessary to fully fix the entire parent category structure. The British people could be People from British India. Regardless, it was pretty clear that the category contents reflect Indian women, and are inconsistent with other women activists categories. Mason (talk) 02:26, 17 July 2024 (UTCC)
- I think the changes to Category:Women Korean independence activists and Category:Women Indian independence activists are unnecessary as Category:Women Indian independence activists contains women who worked for Indian Independence, just as Category:Women human rights activists contains women who work(ed) for human rights. I am questioning not opposing as in practice most Indian/Korean independence activists were Indian/Korean, so the change in scope is minor. TSventon (talk) 18:26, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Personally, I'd like to eventually make it easier to distinguish between nationality and causes. Category:Women human rights activists is much more clearly about Human rights activists who are women, compared to how we often name Category:Independence activists which could go either way as this conversation has revealed. Mason (talk) 20:57, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think it is fairly clear that Category:Indian independence activists relates to the Indian independence movement, which is the main article for the category. The proposed change makes that less clear, so the current wording is better. We don't have Category:British independence activists or a British independence movement article. There is some confusion at Category:Indian independence activists by state or union territory, for example Category:Indian independence activists from Nagaland and Category:Kashmiri independence activists contain activists for the independence of Nagaland and Kashmir from India. TSventon (talk) 11:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- If it were clear, this would not be an ongoing discussion, and there would not be an entire category tree dedicated to Category:Independence activists by nationality. Mason (talk) 11:48, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I think it is fairly clear that Category:Indian independence activists relates to the Indian independence movement, which is the main article for the category. The proposed change makes that less clear, so the current wording is better. We don't have Category:British independence activists or a British independence movement article. There is some confusion at Category:Indian independence activists by state or union territory, for example Category:Indian independence activists from Nagaland and Category:Kashmiri independence activists contain activists for the independence of Nagaland and Kashmir from India. TSventon (talk) 11:43, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm not sure why it's necessary to fully fix the entire parent category structure. The British people could be People from British India. Regardless, it was pretty clear that the category contents reflect Indian women, and are inconsistent with other women activists categories. Mason (talk) 02:26, 17 July 2024 (UTCC)
- That works for the women, but there are several men in Category:Indian independence activists who look British, e.g. Reginald Reynolds and Allan Octavian Hume. TSventon (talk) 02:05, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Actually, it looks like Sarla Behn moved to India, and is categorized in several other Indian FOOian categories. Similar case with Annie Besant. In other words, it looks like they were intentially categorized as being in Indian women categories. Mason (talk) 01:33, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- I'm happy to remove the non-indian folks, and put them into a new category of Activists for Indian independence. Mason (talk) 01:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Smasongarrison I would question this. Current name includes non-Indian women who were Indian independence activists, such as Sarla Behn and Annie Besant. TSventon (talk) 01:27, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:People involved in race and intelligence controversies to Category:People associated with race and intelligence controversies – C2E: I'm cleaning up the parent category to make it more navigable. I realized that this name implies that each person is directly involved in the controversy (or advocating that there are genetic between group differences). A subset of folks in here do work that effectively argues the opposite (or folks who are actively involved in demonstrating that the differences aren't caused by race). Mason (talk) 21:16, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: "involved in" sounds stronger than "associated with", doesn’t it? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. That is exactly why I want to soften the language. Mason (talk) 20:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: then that's the very reason I am opposing it, per WP:DEFINING, WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- There are people who are still defined by their research in race and intelligence, even if they aren't actively involved in such controversy. The current version implies that they are advocating for the hypothesis in favor, the rename does not imply that they are in favor of the hypothesis. If you want to purge the category, fine, but I think that your opposition in misguided, given how potentially controversial the label is. Mason (talk) 10:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Researchers of the topic are a completely different sort of people in this context, they should never be mingled with people who are actually involved in these controversies. If enough researchers articles exist they should have their own category. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:32, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- There are people who are still defined by their research in race and intelligence, even if they aren't actively involved in such controversy. The current version implies that they are advocating for the hypothesis in favor, the rename does not imply that they are in favor of the hypothesis. If you want to purge the category, fine, but I think that your opposition in misguided, given how potentially controversial the label is. Mason (talk) 10:53, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: then that's the very reason I am opposing it, per WP:DEFINING, WP:OCASSOC. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
- Yes. That is exactly why I want to soften the language. Mason (talk) 20:45, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison: "involved in" sounds stronger than "associated with", doesn’t it? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:06, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates by subject area to Category:Wikipedia utility templates by subject area – C2C after Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_28#Category:Wikipedia_formatting_and_function_templates – Fayenatic London 19:53, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Association football formatting and function templates to Category:Association football utility templates
- Category:Astronomy formatting and function templates to Category:Astronomy utility templates
- Category:Solar System formatting and function templates to Category:Astronomy utility templates
- Category:Minor planet formatting and function templates to Category:Minor planet utility templates
- Category:Automotive formatting and function templates to Category:Automotive utility templates
- Category:Formula E formatting and function templates to Category:Formula E utility templates
- Category:Formula One formatting and function templates to Category:Formula One utility templates
- Category:Chemistry formatting and function templates to Category:Chemistry utility templates
- Category:Currency formatting and function templates to Category:Currency utility templates
- Category:Economics formatting and function templates to Category:Economics utility templates
- Category:Transport formatting and function templates to Category:Transport utility templates
- Category:Norway rail transport formatting and function templates to Category:Norway rail transport utility templates
- Category:Virginia state highway formatting and function templates to Category:Virginia state highway utility templates
- I propose Category:Wikipedia formatting and function templates by subject area to Category:Wikipedia utility templates by topic, similar to subcategories of Wikipedia templates by task and topic. Side note: I really don't understand the meaning of the word "utility" here. Surely, all created templates are meant to have some utility? It sounds so generic, I wouldn't mind upmerging the whole tree of Wikipedia utility templates. —andrybak (talk) 01:10, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree with Andrybak. Looked at a few at the minor planet category. Any link template should be under a sub-category of Category:Link templates. "Utility" is so generic that it is unhelpful, as is the previous "function templates". Probably best to check the contents of each category and see if they are all of a same type, find out which parent correctly fit that type and rename to match. Gonnym (talk) 07:30, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
On hold pending other discussion
[edit]- Category:1924 establishments in Mozambique to Category:1924 establishments in Portuguese Mozambique – C2C with Category:1920s in Portuguese Mozambique, following parameter change by Marcocapelle.[1] The member pages are in Beira, Maputo and Nampula which were all under Portuguese control at the time. – Fayenatic London 12:33, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1924 in Mozambique to Category:1924 in Portuguese Mozambique
- Support, just adding this because I was pinged. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:34, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:1924 in Mozambique to Category:1924 in Portuguese Mozambique
Moved to full discussion
[edit]- Category:Sacked Hindu temples in the Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent to Category:Hindu temples destroyed in the Muslim period in the Indian subcontinent – C2C. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:18, 3 July 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: oppose, "sacked" was suggested in full CfD for a good reason, namely that in many cases the damage has been repaired ages ago, so "destroyed" is not applicable. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:39, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: Comment. Moving the verb to third position is a straightforward improvement in clarity. Changing the verb from "sacked" to "destroyed" requires consensus. Jruderman (talk) 05:39, 13 July 2024 (UTC)
- Category:Family of Boris Johnson to Category:Boris Johnson family – C2B. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:05, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- It has been recently moved via speedy, may be we should go for a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Ymblanter, oh I did that, incorrectly thinking it was an error or the wrong. But in fact the previous version was the correct form so was just undoing it. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:53, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
- Moved to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:42, 4 July 2024 (UTC)
- It has been recently moved via speedy, may be we should go for a full discussion.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
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