Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tennis and Badminton Club of Reykjavik

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Three users have advanced "keep" arguments, among whom only one has produced sources in support. A spot-check of those sources do not demonstrate clear-cut notability (one of them, for instance, appears to be a review of a book published by this club). Therefore, I see a consensus to delete. Vanamonde (talk) 07:57, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tennis and Badminton Club of Reykjavik

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Non-notable organization, lack of GNG. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 20:13, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iceland-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 20:28, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 20:28, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 21:14, 6 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep notable badminton organization. This is the oldest badminton club in Iceland. Lack of GNG doesn't mean this article is non-notable. Stvbastian (talk) 05:18, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
By definition, lack of WP:GNG means the article is non-notable. Ifnord (talk) 22:13, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There are around nine thousand results on Google for TBR (the short name for the club) on Morgunblaðið (the countries oldest national newspaper) website alone. Then you you have the possibility to search for both the full Icelandic and English name, and also expand the search to Fréttablaðið and RÚV websites who are the other two major national news organizations in the country. Just out of curiosity, did you do the proper procedure and "do the necessary homework and look for sources yourself, and invite discussion on the talk page by using the {{notability}} template" as is stated under the Wikipedia:Guide_to_deletion? -- Dammit_steve (talk) 09:46, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep notable badminton organization. See also interwikis. 20+ national team titles in Iceland. Florentyna (talk) 23:25, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein  20:35, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep this is certainly notable and meets WP:GNG as the biggest club in a country. Only that the article didn't get attention for long, but that doesn't strip it of notability per WP:NEXIST  — Ammarpad (talk) 06:04, 19 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. If reliable sources exist, then why is nobody citing any? Old it may be, but if nobody comes up with actual sources then we have nothing to base an article on.  Sandstein  21:04, 20 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz talk 05:22, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - It's not enough for something to be the oldest "something" - there must also be media sources covering the group to meet Wikipedia guidelines. I visited the Morgunblaðið site and searched for TBR [[1]], but the only coverage I can find appears to be match results. I also went to Fréttablaðið to search for TBR [[2]]. Same thing - just routine match results. This is what you'd see in the local news coverage of a local paper. What we'd like to see in order to demonstrate notability is in depth coverage of the group itself. If indeed it is the largest club in Iceland one would expect to see some coverage to that effect, and also some coverage outside the country in foreign publications. This article is so short now that there's no harm in deleting it - if any sources come up and anyone takes an interest, it can be recreated with more meat. It has been in this same sparse condition for almost 13 years. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:17, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. There are 2 refs, a facebook page and a link to the club website. Interested editors have had two weeks to source the article but have been unable to do so. Szzuk (talk)
  • Delete No surprises to me that the {{Unreferenced}} banner-template was removed at the same time as the two Ext links unacceptable as references were added in 2010. I've also considered WP:CCS when !voting delete.-Semperito (talk) 22:36, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep As stated, it is a fairly old club so older sources could be difficult to find. For older Icelandic news, timarit.is is a good source. However, the search in older issues is not perfect (Looks like they automaticaly scanned the words in the papers, it doesn't always work as some letters are wrong). To complicate it a bit more, you also have to search for either the full Icelandic name (Tenn­is- og badm­int­on­fé­lag Reykja­vík­ur) or the short version (TBR). Still, a 5 minutes search turned up some sources. Like this one from 1964 (Page 5 and 9). Another from 1964 (Starts on page 5, continues on page 8). From 1966. Here is one from 1999 -- Dammit_steve (talk) 10:41, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Mostly per Sandstein. I am happy- keen, even- to be convinced that there are sources out there; but, as the feller says, in that case where are they? WP:OFFLINE, is, after all supplementary to WP:V, so we need the second before the first. — fortunavelut lunaRarely receiving (many) pings. Bizarre. 11:02, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I actually did point to a few new sources above your answer and I've added them to the article. -- Dammit_steve (talk) 12:04, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It seems bizarre that we are wasting time debating - and trawling up little-more than passing historic mentions (one being a book-review of the club's primary-source publication) only by virtue of modern facilities - keeping something on En Wiki that does not appear on Is Wiki?. Those of you with Chrome may do better than me trying to copy/paste, then machine-translate, the scanned .pdf text. It all smacks of Law of Diminishing Returns.

    If it's so important to some editors, instead of insisting on keeping as-is, think about redirect/merge - a few lines only without the infobox - to Reykjavík#Sports teams? This make more sense? This does not imply I've changed my 'delete' !vote.-Semperito (talk) 17:11, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Oldest badminton club in Iceland -Selenemoon (talk) 21:51, 23 November 2017 (UTC) — Selenemoon (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Blocked sock. Mz7 (talk) 07:41, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Being the oldest badminton club of Iceland doesn't make the subject notable. Irrespective of its standing in the society, the subject has to pass WP:GNG to have an article here. Even WP:NEXIST says that suitable sources (suitable independent, reliable sources) must exist, which is not the case here. Regards, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk • mail) 04:36, 29 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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