Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Petrino
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- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. Kafziel Complaint Department 06:18, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Paul Petrino (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
Aside from the nav template being much larger than the article, assistant coaches are not normally considered notable by Wikipedia:WikiProject College football and no other claims of notability are given aside from being the brother of the head coach. Also, there are no sources cited in the article.
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. -- Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:25, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete His mere existence and position on a football team's staff are not notable. — BQZip01 — talk 06:22, 4 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep He was an assistant coach for the Atlanta Falcons, a professional team, I think that means he is notable. He also has held several college assistant coaching jobs such as offensive coordinator, among other positions, at the University of Louisville. Now this article does need some work. It needs some references and added material. Also I think that template needs to be gone because it doesn't link to this article. Hatmatbbat10Talk to me 02:35, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Question can you show me a reference where the NFL project has come to a consensus that assistant NFL coaches are generally considered notable? I know at college football we came to the consensus that assistant college football coaches are normally not notable... has he won any national awards? I'd like to keep the article but I'm just not quite getting the pull for it... was he notable as a player? Did he go on to the NFL? Win a college player award? Gimmie a reason, I wanna vote keep!--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:24, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I can see where you're going. I can't find anything on a project that says he would be notable. In WP:ATHLETE, it used to state that anybody who played or coach in a fully professional league, was notable. But that has since been removed because of no consensus about the topic in the talk page. Now, I did find a couple other things that possibly could help with his notability. Here is says that he was a finalist for a major Assitant Coaching Award, the Broyles Award. I know only a finalist, but it does count for something. And if you do a google search on him, you can find plenty of reliable sources about him. [1] That's all that I can find right now. I'm kind of like you Paul, I want to keep this article but I can't quite find things of why it should be kept. And to answer your question, Patrino did played quarterback for Carroll College, a school in the NAIA, not notable there. I'll try and find some more information and put it here. If you could do the same that would be great! Hatmatbbat10Talk to me 23:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Close-Wait? (nominator) Finalist for the Boryles Award is close. I think that's enough to buy some more time before deletion--at least for discussion. Just a quarterback in NAIA doesn't cut it really, unless they went to national rankings in NAIA or managed to get some play time in one of the NAIA bowls (The school has, I think, transferred to NCAA Div II since then, which is common).--Paul McDonald (talk) 05:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I can see where you're going. I can't find anything on a project that says he would be notable. In WP:ATHLETE, it used to state that anybody who played or coach in a fully professional league, was notable. But that has since been removed because of no consensus about the topic in the talk page. Now, I did find a couple other things that possibly could help with his notability. Here is says that he was a finalist for a major Assitant Coaching Award, the Broyles Award. I know only a finalist, but it does count for something. And if you do a google search on him, you can find plenty of reliable sources about him. [1] That's all that I can find right now. I'm kind of like you Paul, I want to keep this article but I can't quite find things of why it should be kept. And to answer your question, Patrino did played quarterback for Carroll College, a school in the NAIA, not notable there. I'll try and find some more information and put it here. If you could do the same that would be great! Hatmatbbat10Talk to me 23:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Question can you show me a reference where the NFL project has come to a consensus that assistant NFL coaches are generally considered notable? I know at college football we came to the consensus that assistant college football coaches are normally not notable... has he won any national awards? I'd like to keep the article but I'm just not quite getting the pull for it... was he notable as a player? Did he go on to the NFL? Win a college player award? Gimmie a reason, I wanna vote keep!--Paul McDonald (talk) 04:24, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fabrictramp | talk to me 23:32, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. I thought maybe I'd find relevance from his playing career...but he played NAIA Division II...which isn't going to meet any standard of notability. Assistant coaches are generally only notable if they are on par with Norm Chow --SmashvilleBONK! 23:45, 5 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Yeah, Chow won the Broyles Award and that's a big deal... curious, where did Petrino play Div II ball?--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:21, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Carroll College (Montana) --SmashvilleBONK! 18:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment Yeah, Chow won the Broyles Award and that's a big deal... curious, where did Petrino play Div II ball?--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:21, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. He's likely to become notable in the future, but right now, he falls on just the other side of the notability line. JKBrooks85 (talk) 07:35, 7 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.