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Section sizes

Section size for Azov Brigade (37 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	12,200	12,200
History	15	114,187
Background and founding, February–April 2014	21,247	21,247
Special Tasks Patrol Police, May 2014	15,131	15,131
Reorganisation and incorporation into the National Guard of Ukraine, November 2014	4,128	4,128
Battle of Shyrokyne, January 2015	15,864	15,864
2016–2019	3,700	3,700
Russian invasion of Ukraine	4,838	54,102
Defense of Mariupol	43,314	43,314
Other 'Azov' units	5,950	5,950
Leadership and organisation	3,112	28,076
Commanders	4,392	4,392
Status	3,401	3,401
Foreign fighters	17,171	17,171
Azov movement	11,210	24,574
Azov Civil Corps	639	639
National Corps	3,092	3,092
Youth Corps	1,400	1,400
National Militia, 2017–2020	4,929	4,929
Centuria	3,304	3,304
Human rights violations	3,311	3,311
Neo-Nazism allegations	42,343	47,862
Connection to antisemitism	5,519	5,519
International arms and training controversies	52	13,203
United States	8,056	8,056
Canada	2,293	2,293
Israel	1,432	1,432
Greece	1,370	1,370
Use in Russian propaganda and information campaigns	191	20,864
Pre-2022	8,541	8,541
Russian invasion	12,132	12,132
Sham trials in Russia	4,969	4,969
See also	188	188
References	9,982	9,982
Notes	24	24
Further reading	2,108	2,108
External links	821	821
Total	282,369	282,369

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Omer Benjakob (14 March 2022). "Russia's War on Truth: Top Wikipedia Editor Arrested Amidst Ukraine Censorship". Haaretz. Retrieved 15 March 2022. Though Putin's bogus claims of "denazifying" Ukraine were called out, in English, the article on the contemporary far-right neo-Nazi Ukrainian paramilitary group, known as the Azov Battalion, has become a battleground, with some attempts to whitewash the group and deny their use of a Nazi symbol and neo-Nazi sentiments.

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No mention of the fact that the US Congress banned funds to Ukraine over Azov (https://khanna.house.gov/media/in-the-news/congress-bans-arms-ukraine-militia-linked-neo-nazis) and the ADL's assessement in 2019 (https://www.adl.org/resources/report/hate-beyond-borders-internationalization-white-supremacy). This article is a post-2022 whitewashing propaganda piece. 167.142.48.84 (talk)

"In 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives again passed a provision blocking any training of Azov members by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi connection" Slatersteven (talk) 10:23, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IN fact we have a whole section on the allegations. Slatersteven (talk) 10:25, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably this should be under allegations of antisemitism. The article puts the allegations all over the place to make the pre-2022 allegations less definitive then they are. 167.142.48.84 (talk) 10:30, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is. Slatersteven (talk) 10:32, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No, the statement "In 2018, the U.S. House of Representatives again passed a provision blocking any training of Azov members by American forces, citing its neo-Nazi connections." is under "International arms and training controversies" 167.142.48.84 (talk) 20:39, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NeoNazi designation

shouldn't we include a note that they are/were a neo nazi group? [1]https://www.thehindu.com/news/international/the-azov-battalion-the-neo-nazis-of-ukraine/article65239935.ece [2]https://theintercept.com/2022/02/24/ukraine-facebook-azov-battalion-russia/ BarakHussan (talk) 21:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Try reading through the talk page archives if you really think this is the first time someone asks this, or better yet, read the article itself which contains 137 instances of the word "Nazi". TylerBurden (talk) 21:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There's a random piece of orphan text in the middle of the list of references. Please either move it to wherever it may belong or remove it:

According to Biletsky, the emblem that many consider to be the Nazi "wolf trap", "Idea of the Nation" – is the intersection of the letters of the Latin alphabet "and" and "N"</ref>

. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 03:04, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find that text anywhere in the article. Could you be more precise? Sjö (talk) 06:05, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's in the references section. You need to view in edit mode, not while reading the article 76.14.122.5 (talk) 17:12, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done I looked through the page history and couldn't figure out where that snippet was supposed to go, so deleted it. PianoDan (talk) 20:30, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! 76.14.122.5 (talk) 22:29, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Greetings @Mhorg, what is the point in your edit [3] , which adds sources such as
Olszański, Tadeusz A. (4 July 2011). "Svoboda Party – The New Phenomenon on the Ukrainian Right-Wing Scene". Centre for Eastern Studies. OSW Commentary (56): 6. Archived from the original on 13 March 2014. Retrieved 27 September 2013.
, some website ("naso"), and so on? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 16:06, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is the primary source, the website of Ukrainian National Union (political party), where you can see their logo with the Wolfsangel searching for the label "Збори Харківського обласного відділення Українського Національного Союзу". Of course it is better to find a secondary source. Mhorg (talk) 16:23, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

So, it's unrelated to the article. Can you please filter out and remove content and sources from your edit which are unrelated to this article. Thanks. ManyAreasExpert (talk) 16:33, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for removing this one. Why the article still references the work mentioned in the first message? ManyAreasExpert (talk) 16:44, 11 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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