User talk:chicdat

Hello. This is my talk page. To leave a comment on an existing section, click here, and to start a new section, click here. Thanks so much, 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 10:29, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Article suggestions

Hey there Chicdat. I can tell you’re passionate about tropical cyclones and editing Wikipedia. There are a few articles the project needs that I wondered if you’d be interested in. One is tropical cyclones in 2013 and other yearly global articles. We only have the past few years, but it wouldn’t be helpful from a global perspective having them further back. Another option is a location list article, such as List of Alabama hurricanes, or any other location affected by tropical cyclones regularly. Would either of them be at all interesting to you? Either way, happy editing! :) Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 13:52, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks a lot for creating List of Alabama hurricanes, but HURDAT alone won't do as a source. HURDAT does not contain information on things like how much the damage cost, how many died, how many were injured, or measurements. It also is silent on whether storms that did not outright have their centers pass over the state count as "affected". Would you be willing to add more third-party reliable sources for each storm? Thanks.--Jasper Deng (talk) 00:27, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

That's what I did! Chicdat (talk) 11:37, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

You have hardly any sources besides HURDAT; the majority of the storms listed cite only HURDAT.--Jasper Deng (talk) 12:09, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

How did you like working on the Alabama hurricanes list? Sure, it isn't 100% done (you need to add specific damages/deaths if you want to take it to featured list), but it's certainly better than what we had! (which was nothing) Are you looking for other list articles, or perhaps other storm articles that are doable? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:08, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Sure, I'm currently working on a Cyclone Herold article, but I don't mind being busy. 🐔Chicdat (talk) 14:16, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Make sure you work on "Herold", not "Harold" :P Also, newer storms tend to be a little difficult to write, especially when you have to search in French (Madagascar, Reunion, and possibly for Mauritius/Rodrigues). Here are some sources that might help (in English!) Aside from Herold, you might be interested in another Alabama article, like Effects of Hurricane Ivan in Alabama. Or maybe something older, like this storm that struck Alabama as a Category 2. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:33, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

I saw you made some progress on the Herold article. How's that going? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:53, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Great! Today I added some more to the Madagascar impact section, and I'm hoping to have it done by the first week of April. I've got a lot more time now because of the coronavirus lockdowns. 🐔Chicdat (talk) 14:19, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

A lot of us have been editing more due to Covid. So that's one positive out of this whole situation! I left some comments about Herold on the talk page, but decent job for your first storm article. How was the writing process for you? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:23, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Pretty hard, to tell the truth! But I'm glad that I was able to create an actual storm article. (Even if it IS Start quality and Low importance!) 🐔Chicdat (talk) 18:14, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey, we all gotta start somewhere! Eventually you'll develop a preference for certain types of storms. Older storms have more sources available. Storms in certain countries might be easier if they're wealthier (meaning they have more people to manage the storm). The Australian region is all in English, so that might make things easier. As you probably noticed w/ Herold, Madagascar and Mauritius speak French. There are also other types of articles that are needed, more along the lines of Alabama hurricanes, such as a List of intense tropical cyclones (in SWIO), List of extremely severe cyclonic storms (in north Indian), or List of Category 2 Atlantic hurricanes. The most fun part of Wikipedia is when my curiosity gets the best of me, and I can't help but want to research a certain storm that catches my interest. I hope this helps! Keep up the good work and happy editing. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 18:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Hiya Chicdat. I hope you're not too worried about the message below (that you shouldn't copy and paste in the future). It takes time to learn the rules of Wikipedia. The most important rule is ignore all rules. If you're more worried about breaking some rule, and that disrupts the spirit of Wikipedia's openness, then you should ignore those rules. You're already getting a good handle on sources and writing. I'm sure in the future, your writing will rise to "good" level, but that takes time and practice. This was my first article, rather short by comparison to what you'd expect to see nowadays. So I just wanted to check in and say happy editing! ^_^ ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 01:22, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Oh, thank you, Hurricanehink! You're so encouraging when it comes to article suggestions. I mean, without you, List of Alabama hurricanes would be nothing but a redirect. 🐔Chicdat (talk) 10:00, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Hey Chicdat, don't feel bad about the state of your RfA. I'm glad you're interested in sticking around Wikipedia long-term! But there is a lot to learn. One of the most important parts about being an admin is understanding the process, how to mediate conflict, and how to work with other users. Seeing as you're still on the new side, I wanted to reach out. Are you working on any articles these days? What about any collaborations with other users? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:40, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey, now I know what I can do to have a better chance of succeeding next time! As for working on articles, Draft:List of intense tropical cyclones, and I started a discussion to merge Wikipedia's poultry WikiProject into WikiProject Birds. 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 16:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Good job so far on intense tropical cyclones. If you want it to make it a featured list, then you'll need to improve the table. Check out List of Category 3 Pacific hurricanes, and view it from the edit window to see how to sort the intensity, or damage, or deaths. No need to list injuries. And be to sure to cite every death and damage figure (you're missing it for Andry 83. You might have to change how you report 0 deaths. Otherwise, you're on the right track. I see you're up to the 90's. Just 83 more to add :P ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:04, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Yeah, just 83 more. (There really have been a LOT of ITCs over the years!) 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 10:01, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

I've done articles like List of Category 3 Atlantic hurricanes. They take a lot of time, and it's really tiring work, but you can take pride once it's done at having compiled such an important list :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:41, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Yeah. (You probably already know this, but it's my longest article yet!) 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 18:59, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

That's great! Keep up the good work, and remember, there's no rush to complete, so edit at your pace ^_^ ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:15, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey Chicdat, I hope there's no hard feelings over the nicknamed TC page getting deleted. Wikipedia strives to be the best possible resource online. That means everything needs to be reliable, well-sourced, and not prone to any original research. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:22, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Your last sentence told me everything. My userspace recovery of the page proved everything I need to know about it. Horribly sourced, non-notable, and rather boring to read. 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 10:26, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia holds a rather high standard, which is why I (and other users) try and guide newer users to make sure their contributions are always productive. Your work on intense tropical cyclones, I'm guessing, largely consists of you copying the data from one Wikipedia page to the draft page. It's different when you're making an article from scratch. You have to provide sources to back up the claim for notability. Normally, that means the damage/deaths, which usually the NHC has in their tropical cyclone reports, or otherwise you can get it from news articles or government sources. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:59, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Do you think we need an article on Timeline of tropical cyclones in 2020? ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:14, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

If you ask me, then no. For a while I tried to improve it, to no avail. Then, I tried to assess it. I tried stub-quality, mid-importance, but it would not let me. Finally, I posted it at the WPTC assessment page, but now I believe that either it should be redirected or deleted (like List of nicknamed tropical cyclones). 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 10:12, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Yea, I noticed that article. I redirected the article, since it's a plausible redirect for Tropical cyclones in 2020. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 15:57, 16 April 2020 (UTC)

Hurricanehink, List of intense tropical cyclones was amazing. I am SO proud of myself for such a huge article! 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 13:45, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Great job Chicdat! That's a great feeling when you finish a large article, when you can look back at your work with a sense of accomplishment. Did you have any issues doing the article? It's a huge benefit to the project having that kind of list article, especially once we get them for each basin worldwide. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 16:30, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Dont be upset but I have been forced to take a few of the ITC's out, as the data is not there from IBTRACS or Reunion to back them up being ITC's yet. I also think it is better to use the whole name for a system rather than 1/2 a name as it saves confusion and I believe the BoM does it that way as well.Jason Rees (talk) 20:46, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

To Jason Rees, I'm not upset, that's totally OK. To Hurricanehink, the hardest part of it was that a few times I got distracted by Wikipedia's 6 million plus other articles. Oh, and now I'm working on List of extremely severe cyclonic storms at User:Chicdat/sandbox! 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 09:56, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your understanding and tackling both the intense TCs and extremely severe lists. With regards to the Extremely Severe List I will give you a massive hint and tell you to look at the IMD BT here for all systems since 1982 assuming you can download Excel files.Jason Rees (talk) 17:41, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for providing that cite, Jason Rees!! 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 18:30, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the award Chicdat! I haven't always been so welcoming of new users (mostly because in the past I was more concerned with writing than welcoming new users), so I'm glad you're sticking around. Hopefully you're still finding editing "fun", and worth your time. The biggest frustration for new users is learning the unofficial rules, or how to cite, or how to even make articles, and I'm glad you're managing all of that. There's still a lot to learn (I learn more with every article I do!), but I'm glad you're getting the hang of it :) ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 14:16, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Whoa, that was a lot of work, doing List of extremely severe cyclonic storms! But I'm proud of myself, again, for creating it. 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 10:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Nice job again! At this point, are you getting a good feel for what articles require? I imagine you're mostly using Wikipedia's information from one article and repurposing it for another article, which isn't a bad approach. That's why User:Jason Rees has been making so many edits, as he's correct pointing out that we might've had the wrong information for some intensity estimates, especially basins outside the Atlantic, and especially SHEM/NIO pre-1985. You might've noticed that there are no NIO season articles for a 10 year stretch. I hope you're getting a sense now that some parts of Wikipedia have really good tropical cyclone coverage, but there are also a lot of gaps, and, as you noted, articles needed/requested. I saw you tagged it as inactive. I think the request page does as good of a service as it did in 2006, it just needs to be updated, so people know that it's still be active, and there are still topics we could use articles for. Taking that note, I updated it with some of the suggestions from the WPTC talk page. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:49, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. Now we just have to create articles for them! :P Anyway, now I'm working on List of Category 2 Atlantic hurricanes. (It takes a lot of work!) 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 10:03, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm impressed you've done these articles! Good luck with C2 Atlantic hurricanes. I did C3, and there were hundreds, so that could take a while, especially since you'll be going back to 1851. You might want to reach out to another user (not me :P) to help with the project so it'll get done quicker - maybe one of you start at 1851 and the other in the current day, and you'll meet in the middle? Just a suggestion. Trying to do giant articles all by yourself can be a great accomplishment, but it can also lead to burnout. Just ask {U|Hurricane Noah}}, who did most of the EPAC list articles, and who I'm guessing is getting some form of PTSD from doing all of them :P XD ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 13:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

OK, was I crazy to do that on my own? Probably... I know I should ask someone for help (probably not User:Hurricane Noah:-?), but who? Any suggestions? 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 10:24, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I'll think... 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 12:35, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Yea it’s good to know your limits for how big an article you can handle. Just reach out to other users in the project. Some (including me) will say no, but you might find someone. Maybe Typhoon2013? Or someone who regularly edits the Atlantic? Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 16:55, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Rollback granted

Hi Chicdat. After reviewing your request for "rollbacker", I have temporarily enabled rollback on your account until 2020-05-15. Keep in mind these things when going to use rollback:

• Getting rollback is no more momentous than installing Twinkle.
• Rollback should be used to revert clear cases of vandalism only, and not good faith edits.
• Rollback should never be used to edit war.
• If abused, rollback rights can be revoked.
• Use common sense.

If you no longer want rollback, contact me and I'll remove it. Also, for some more information on how to use rollback, see Wikipedia:Administrators' guide/Rollback (even though you're not an admin). I'm sure you'll do great with rollback, but feel free to leave me a message on my talk page if you run into troubles or have any questions about appropriate/inappropriate use of rollback. Thank you for helping to reduce vandalism. Happy editing! Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 19:19, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!! 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 22:32, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

User contributions for Chicdat deleted

Hey, I just wanted to let you know that the redirect you created, User contributions for Chicdat, goes against speedy deletion criterion R2, and as a result I had to delete it. Cross-namespace redirects are only allowed for a small set of namespace pairs, and Special: is not one of them. Even for allowed namespace pairs, like Main --> Category, such redirects are discouraged and only used in narrow cases where there is a clear, broad benefit to the redirect. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 18:11, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Regarding a list of Atlantic Category 2 hurricanes I heard you were planning to undertake </veryverbosesubjectheadline>

Hello @Chicdat:

I was asked by @Hurricanehink: if I could help you undertake a list of Category 2 Atlantic hurricanes— and since I said I could take up on that offer; I was then told to come to your talk page regarding this.

and I did.

since I am interested in at least a small upkeep in this list, I have decided to apply, in this here talk page, to assist in the creation of this list.

I also in this provide a few C2's I can name right now: Arthur 2004, Jerry 2019, and Greta 1956.

~ AC5230 talk 22:20, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Sure! 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 10:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

A user...

You probably already know and that's why I came to you instead because you have left this user a message in his/her talk page. I am a little bit annoyed and somewhat creeped out about this user's behaviour in my talk pages and some of his editing. And calling me "New Zealand boy" I find it a bit odd where yes I am a kiwi but not even NZ-born? Typhoon2013 (talk) 07:38, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Excuse me? I'm getting kind of fed up with this "Vala keep" anyway (I'd like you to know, Ambo formed on May 9 not May 10). Someone report this guy to an admin! 🐔Chicdat ^ChickenDatabase 10:06, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Note

Hi Chicdat. I hope you're doing well. Thank you for your contributions – I can tell you've been putting in a lot of hard work over the last three months, and I'm really happy to see your enthusiasm. I remember how excited I was in the first few months of my time here; it really is a special experience.

Following your talk page message asking me to renew the probationary rollback grant, I've looked over your contributions. Unfortunately, I am going to remove the page mover group and I am not going to renew the rollback group.

• Since I granted rollback for a probationary period of two weeks, I have seen misuse of the rollback tool in a content dispute ([1]) in which you breached 3RR ([2][3][4][5]) in the space of less than one hour. If you're still interested in Huggle and the rollback tool, if you wait a month I would seriously consider a new request for rollback (and/or I wouldn't object if another admin considered a request for rollback).
• Page mover is a tool that requires a high level of continuing trust from the community. Because it allows you to suppress redirects, which is tantamount to deletion, access is tightly controlled and use of the suppressredirect tool must comply with the criteria at WP:PMRC. Acting outside of that is equivalent to if an administrator abused speedy deletion. I see in the logs a number of questionable suppressed redirects, including most blatantly this move, which isn't even close to a suppressable redirect. Because your actions, including these ones and the 3RR violation referenced above, are inconsistent with the level of trust necessary for the page mover group, I am removing it; if you are still interested in having access to the group, I would ask that you reapply after a minimum of six months.

I'm sorry to be taking these actions, and I want to assure you that this is not a negative reflection of your enthusiasm or good faith. Instead, it's simply a consequence of the fact that Wikipedia policies are dense and complicated, and it takes anyone a long time to really understand them. Three or even six months into my time on Wikipedia, I would be making the same mistakes. If you are upset with me, I understand completely, and if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to let me know. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 17:44, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Another thing

When you get a moment, I'd appreciate if you could take a moment to review WP:SOCK. As far as I can tell, your editing while logged out stopped a couple weeks ago, which is good – we don't want to give the impression of evading community scrutiny and responsibility for edits. Best, Kevin (aka L235 · t · c) 18:24, 15 May 2020 (UTC)