Talk:List of languages by time of extinction

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Latin

Why is Latin not listed? If it is an error of ommission, the article would be improved by adding it. If it was ommitted purposefully, the article would be improved by explaining why. 98.117.49.203 (talk) 07:24, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure. The main part of this article was written by myself, quite some time ago. I'm not sure why I didn't include Latin (and Ancient Greek for that matter!), but I believe it was because it's really hard to tell when Latin died out, because it didn't die out as the other languages on the list. It rather developped into dialects, which then became recognized as proper languages. According to Late Latin, this happened in the 9th century AD, when sermons began to be held in the respective dialects. Hmm, does this mark the very end of spoken Latin? I'm not sure... — N-true (talk) 14:47, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Lae Language

I was just on the UNESCO Atlas of the World Languages and it lists the Lae language of Papua New Guinea as being exinct. It is believed to have died around the year 2000. Should we include this in the chart? The only reference I can find to this language even existing is on the UNESCO site. Mr Languages (talk) 02:01, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I added it as Aribwatsa one of its three common names.

Odd dates for ancient Celtic languages

Some of the dates given in this list border on the ridiculous – or even worse. Lepontic is attested as late as the 1st century BC, so how could it have gone extinct by 400 BC already? And Gaulish "extinct after 500 BC"? Are you kidding me?! Gaulish is not even attested before the 3rd century BC! It's true that many inscriptions cannot be dated precisely and late references to the language are somewhat ambiguous such that it is not 100% certain that they actually refer to living Gaulish being spoken, but according to Stifter, it is absolutely uncontroversial that Gaulish was a living language as late as the 2nd century AD – and it may still have been spoken several centuries later (unless the literary references listed on Gaulish language#External evidence are misleading), by Late Antiquity, in the Christian period! Compare the discussion of the evidence for Lepontic and Late Gaulish in the Stifter PDFs linked on Lepontic language, from which it emerges that the late evidence for Gaulish is not completely certain; the inscriptions which seem to be late for language-external reasons as well (such as the inscriptions on spindle whorls) also offer a rather mixed and ambiguous linguistic picture and may be at least partly in Latin influenced by Gaulish (Gallo-Latin, probably a direct ancestor of Old French) rather than Gaulish influenced by Latin. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 17:12, 28 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Avestan

Even Zoroastrians don't use Avestan? Complete extinction? --Zyma (talk) 07:09, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, even if they still use it in some form, the list is at least consistent here; Latin is listed as extinct too, even though it is still used as a liturgical language and even new texts are composed in it. But that hardly qualifies Latin as a "living language". --Florian Blaschke (talk) 07:24, 29 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Old Chinese

The date given for Old Chinese (after 1200 BC) is silly too – (1250 to) 1200 BC is when Old Chinese is first attested. The end of Old Chinese is ill-defined (which is why I don't think that the inclusion of older stages of languages is useful), but the language spoken around 1000 years later is still called Old Chinese (certainly not Middle Chinese yet before the turn of the eras). --Florian Blaschke (talk) 15:52, 10 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lower Arrernte language

According to the section, Lower Arrernte language died in 2011 with Perrurle's dead but the source is a 2007 article about him. The actual language has no source either. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:24, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The 2007 article says the last speaker of the language is Brownie Doolan [1], who is most probably the same Brownie Doolan [2] who passed away in 2011. Uanfala (talk) 10:13, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Definition of extinction

The article on Hazel Sampson says that she was the last native speaker of Klallam, but that "The Klallam language is still spoken as a second language by some members of the four indigenous Klallam communities [...], as well as the Beecher Bay Klallam of British Columbia, Canada." If it is still spoken, is it extinct? --Andreas Philopater (talk) 01:55, 24 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was: No opposition, proceed with merge. Calbow (talk) 15:15, 25 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I propose merging List of last known speakers of languages into this article. Every person in that list, except for the few still alive, is explicitly included in the "Notes" column of this list, e.g. "with the death of Edwin Benson". With respect to the living, there are many languages with only a handful of speakers left, see e.g. here, and it is not often reported when a not-yet extinct language goes from having several speakers to only one to qualify for that list, whereas when a language dies it more often has media coverage. This article is also far more complete than that one, having tens of last language speakers not in that list. Calbow (talk) 12:25, 14 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Calbow: There doesn't seem to be any opposition expressed to this proposal. You should consider proceeding with a merge. GenQuest "Talk to Me" 14:04, 24 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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Requested move 29 June 2021

List of languages by time of extinction → List of extinct languages by time of extinction – The title would make more sense as "List of extinct languages by time of extinction" since this list is explicitly talking about extinct languages Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 00:25, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak support Too clunky with the repeated "extinct" in my opinion, but I agree the current title doesn't quite make sense. I would propose Chronological list of extinct languages. instead. —Somnifuguist (talk) 09:30, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense, but I feel like just adding in "Extinct" makes more sense. I did think about replacing "time" with "date" but it was already too late because I had posted this. Blubabluba9990 (talk) (contribs) 17:18, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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