Talk:Kerala: Difference between revisions

HDI

Kerala HDI is given in India Human Development Report 2011 as .790. The sidebar says HDI is .94 and it provides a dead link to the same report. I couldn't find any other official report that mentioned a higher HDI either by GOI or UN. There were news article but nothing official. I am changing it to .790 which is still High.

References

Images

See my previous post Talk:Kerala/Archive_6#Images_in_Culture_section. This article attracts many image additions, but we're not an indiscriminate collection of images. Note that per WP:IMGLOC images are typically interspaced left to right from the article text and do not break the prose formatting like this. The criteria for selecting images is based on WP:PERTINENCE: they should be relevant to the article, preferably mentioned in the article text and near it. Text sandwiched between images and spaced-out broken text in an indication of excess images. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:33, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Vadakkunnathan Temple

Vadakkumnathan Temple.jpg

I oppose the addition of this image because of many reasons. It's not discussed in the article, there is simply no place for it, and it gives undue focus to specific Hindu temple (Why only this temple? why not other ones? or why not a church or mosque? in fact they're mentioned in the article). Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:33, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

I agree that there is no need for addition of that image. It is not really helpful. Yash! 17:52, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

Anamudi

There are many images to choose from at the commons. I chose file:Anaimudi.jpg over Anamudi from Munnar Gundumalai road.jpg because I found the latter a bit dubious. If it's the highest peak, what's the other one to left looking slightly higher than it? I'm just curious that's all. The first image seems more clearer but it's authenticity is doubted. pinging Qcrepku1 do I go by your word alone that it's not the peak? Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:40, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Fair question, Ugog Nizdast. I have written about this in the talk page for Anamudi. Most of the images claiming to be of Anamudi are taken along the road on which you have the bus shuttle service for the Eravikulam National Park. The shuttle service on this road starts from 10°08′13.12″N 77°03′34.31″E and ends somewhere around 10°08′32.92″N 77°02′09.56″E. One cannot see Anamudi in this whole stretch of the road, which can be quite easily checked via Google Earth. The earlier image, which is of Anamudi's satellite peak called Naikolli Mala, is taken from this road looking north-northwest. Many of the images from the commons are taken along this stretch and frequently mistake Naikolli Mala as Anamudi.

For the image I have put currently, an approximate location from where the image was taken would be 10°09′02.32″N 77°04′41.83″E. One can go to this location on Google Earth, look towards northwest and sweep left to the west. We can see three peaks, the right most of which is Anamudi. The left most peak is Naikolli Mala, which is where the Eravikulam National Park bus service goes. The peak in the centre is a subsidiary peak, which is closer to us than Anamudi. This is the other peak in the current image you are referring to. The reason why it looks higher is that it is closer to the viewpoint than Anamudi is. Hope this clears your doubts. Qcrepku1 (talk) 12:32, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Church, Mosque and Synagogue legend

What "legend" is this referring to? "According to the legends of these communities, the earliest Saint Thomas Christian Churches,[53] Cheraman Juma Masjid (629 CE)—the first mosque of India[54]—and Paradesi Synagogue (1568 CE)—the oldest active synagogue in the Commonwealth of Nations[55]—were built in Kerala." I think this can be removed and stated as fact. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 02:52, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

done. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 19:43, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Radiation area and Healthcare sections

• Naturally High background area needn't be a separate subsection, barely a two-three sentence para isn't fit for it; stubby sections are discouraged per MOS. The content about it is more relevant to maybe the Karunagappally page than here, see WP:UNDUE.
• I agree we need a healthcare section but not in this form. I object to the lack of WP:MEDRS sources used for healthcare claims like this one "use of chewing tobacco, "fast food" diets, the highest alcohol consumption per capita in the country and "indiscriminate" pesticide use are considered to be contributing factors" to IAforums.com. This statement cannot be put unless the reliability of the source is confirmed (maybe post at the WP:RSN?) or a MEDRS-compliant source is used.

I have partially reverted accordingly and reorganised some leftover content about healthcare into a new section, along with what was added. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:48, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Map of India

The map of India shown here is not right, Boundaries are not clear . POK has shown in another shade — Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.0.58.143 (talk) 06:41, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Tendulkar Report on poverty

I undid this edit. Here's the Report from our Planning commission. I couldn't find these values which were added and as such multiple tables are there per different methodologies--so more time needs to be spent understanding exactly what is what lest we misrepresent the data. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 13:03, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Identity distinct from Tamil date

Hey Yash! I noticed you removed the verify source tag I added for this statement. The cite says page 24 to 27 for Kumari's book which on google books doesn't mention anything about it besides analysing the Malayalam speech; I have no reason to doubt it since even the editions match, at most, the page no ranges may have been wrong so that's why I tagged instead of removing it. The statement isn't innocent enough to not require a inline cite.

I haven't done any searching besides on WP itself.

• From Malayali, " The oldest literature works in Malayalam, distinct from the Tamil tradition, is dated between 9th century and 11th century." cited to the same work but unfortunately no page number.
• From History of Kerala, says the exact same thing, possible copy-paste but with a different cite Chaitanya, Krishna (1972). Kerala. New Delhi: National Book Trust, India; [chief stockists in India: India Book House, Bombay. p. 15. OCLC 515788. which a quick search couldn't find an online preview.

Please tell me you've been luckier. Else more work has to been done on this. Ugog Nizdast (talk) 14:11, 8 December 2016 (UTC)

Greetings Ugog Nizdast! I Googled and stumbled across this. It says, on the page 24: "Modern Tamil and Malayalam, are separate developments of Middle Tamil say from approximately seventh century AD." That convinced me to remove the tag and add the "seventh century" when I removed it. I am on my old phone right now and unable to check if they're the same edition or not (the one I linked and the one in the article) but if I recall right, both had the same title and author. Best, Yash! 14:43, 8 December 2016 (UTC)